Applause and sobs rang through a Missoula County courtroom Friday as former University of Montana quarterback Jordan Johnson was pronounced not guilty of sexual intercourse without consent.

A fellow UM student said Johnson raped her on Feb. 4, 2012, as the two watched a movie at her home. The year following the accusation was one of isolation for Johnson, said defense attorney David Paoli, who in his closing argument asked jurors to “release him from that isolation, to release him from this cloud, to release him from this malicious, horrible allegation.”

Johnson’s mother fell into his father’s arms when the verdict was announced. Johnson began to cry, as did Paoli.

District Court Judge Karen Townsend, who had earlier admonished those in the courtroom not to react to the verdict, again asked for quiet in the roomful of Grizzlies players, coaches, family members and other supporters of Johnson.

“He’s just so happy now today that he’s gotten this horrible chapter over with,” defense attorney Kirsten Pabst said outside the courtroom.

On the courthouse steps, Paoli and his defense co-counsel stood in front of television cameras with their arms around each other’s shoulders. One man who had been watching the trial in court for many days turned to Pabst to shake her hand and congratulate her: “Justice was served. Oh God, you did good.”

Although Johnson’s accuser and her immediate family were in the courtroom for closing arguments, they were not present when the verdict was read. A representative for the family said they would have no comment.

“She didn’t want to hurt his family. She could already see what it (pursuing the case) had done to her own family,” Assistant Chief Deputy County Attorney Suzy Boylan said in her closing statement. “But she wanted him to be responsible for what he did.”

One of the jurors said Friday evening that “we were kind of hung up on the fact that we just couldn’t do a conviction because we weren’t sure whether Mr. Johnson was aware of whether the sex was non-consensual.”

“You just can’t convict somebody if you’re not 100 percent, or reasonably sure,” said Donna M. Aucutt, who described the 2 1/2 hours of deliberations as cordial. “It’s a sad case all the way around, with so many people affected. But you’ve just got to go with what the law says ... and there was that little bit of doubt whether Mr. Johnson knew.”

Paoli said the relatively quick verdict was a reflection of his client’s integrity, and honesty, on the witness stand.

“The jury saw Jordan Johnson for who he is,” Paoli said. “He is honest, truthful and humble. And it is unfortunate that (County Attorney) Fred Van Valkenburg couldn’t see that.”

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Among those in the courtroom Friday, as he was for the entire trial, was former UM athletic director Jim O’Day.

“The bottom line is that what happened is what I felt needed to happen all along. The judicial system needed to make the decision,” said O’Day, whose son Brian was called as a prosecution witness.

Now, said Jim O’Day, UM needs to make a quick decision in Johnson’s case. Johnson was expelled from UM after its own internal court proceeding in the case, O’Day said, but that decision apparently was put on hold pending the outcome of the trial. Johnson remains enrolled at the school, although he was suspended from the football team after the charge was filed.

Peggy Kuhr, UM vice president for integrated communications, said Friday that university court proceedings are private and she could not discuss them.

O’Day, along with former UM football coach Robin Pflugrad, was fired by UM amid controversy over the Johnson case. That matter, O’Day said Friday, “is still in a legal situation.”

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Throughout the trial, Paoli and Pabst made repeated reference to another legal situation, the ongoing federal Department of Justice investigation into how the Missoula County Attorney’s Office, the Missoula Police Department and UM’s campus police handle reports of sexual assault.

That investigation was announced in May, well after the woman reported to police in March that Johnson had raped her. But the County Attorney’s Office didn’t charge him until July.

Van Valkenburg, who watched Friday’s proceedings from the gallery, said the DOJ investigation had nothing to do with the decision to charge Johnson, which he said was based on the evidence.

“The outcome here is a not guilty verdict,” Van Valkenburg said. “It is not an innocent verdict.”

There was never any argument over whether the two had sex. But Johnson maintained all along that it was consensual, telling the seven-woman, five-man jury when he took the stand this week that he would have stopped if the woman had objected.

“If somebody says no, you stop. You respect that,” Johnson said.

Johnson didn’t have to take the stand – no criminal defendant does – but Paoli said his testimony was key to the victory.

“He was direct. He was honest. He was truthful. And the jury knew that,” Paoli said.

The woman, who was the first witness to testify in the 12-day trial, and who spent roughly two days on the stand, said that the two were making out on her bed, and had taken each other’s shirts off, when she first said no. He stopped that time, she testified, but later pushed past her objections.

She said she told him, “ ‘No, not tonight.’ I resisted with my arms, resisted with my knees. ... I told him no.” But she said that he “just changed into a totally different person,” telling the woman, who’d been lying on her back, ‘Turn over or I’ll make you.’ ”

In order to convict someone of sexual intercourse without consent, jurors must find the sex was non-consensual, and that the defendant knew it was non-consensual.

Trial testimony returned repeatedly to text messages sent by and to the woman, including one she sent moments after the incident to her housemate, who was playing video games in the living room.

“Omg ... I think I might have just gotten raped .... he kept pushing and pushing and I said no but he just wouldn’t listen ... I just wanna cry ... omg what do I do?”

While the prosecution portrayed that text as evidence of an assault, the defense homed in on the word “think.”

The prosecution team for the trial included Assistant Attorney General Joel Thompson and Adam Duerk, a private attorney who has worked with the County Attorney’s Office on other high-profile cases.

Pabst said the defense has not even discussed the possibility of a civil lawsuit, and Friday her focus was elsewhere. She was pleased Jordan Johnson can move on with his life.

His whole family is pleased, a relative said, and Paoli had earlier noted many relatives came from Oregon to support their loved one during the trial. Lane Johnson, Jordan Johnson’s uncle, said the Johnson family is close knit, and the allegation affected everyone.

“I’m just so happy for Jordy and for (parents) Marty and Kelly. … There was no doubt in my mind this was what the verdict would be,” Lane Johnson said.

He believes Jordan Johnson wants to play football again, and said he hopes his nephew does play. But he said the former quarterback also made it clear on the stand that football wasn’t his whole life; rather, family is his priority.

“He’s as good a kid as I’ve ever seen,” Lane Johnson said, “and it’s neat to me that justice prevailed.”

Missoulian reporter Gwen Florio can be reached at 523-5268, gwen.florio@missoulian.com, or @CopsAndCourts.

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(324) comments

castigate
castigate

I no longer read by-lines with Ms. Florio's name on them...so did not follow her coverage of this case. She played judge, jury, mocker and mudslinger for outlandish medical-marijuana advocate Jason Christ, however, and no one in this forum said a word. Word to the wise, guys and gals: a shallow journalist is a shallow journalist and you (guys and gals) need to defend the civil rights of everyone, not just the white, male, football heroes. This equity of defense will make you seem less like chauvinistic fools in the long run.

Jail
Jail

What can young men take away from this case.

1. If told no and the woman resists, keep pressuring her until you break her spirit.
2. Once she gives in, then it's not date rape anymore.

What can young women take away form this.

1. If you ever get date raped, the only way it will be believed is based off your reaction right after it happens. It must be dramatic, other wise regardless of what you say, it was consensual.
2. It's your fualt this guy didn't stop so you deserved to get raped.

Needless to say it's a disappointment to see the not guilty verdict. Mr. Johnson may feel good now, but later in his life he will feel remorse for what he did to this woman. He will go to a place and feel this burn for a long time.

montanaduck
montanaduck

So what you're saying is you are 100% positive he is lying and she is telling the truth? Come on, you need to except the fact that may this actually was a situation where the alleged crime was a farce.

Jail
Jail

@montanaduck... If your confused at what I'm saying, please take the time to read and understand my original comment. Oh yea, and I did EXCEPT that situation.

KoKO
KoKO

I think young women should take the following away from this case:
1. Don't invite a man into your bed when no one else is present unless you mean business. If you do and you get raped, you've put yourself in a he said she said situation.
2. If you've been raped file charges immediately.
3. PTSD as proof of rape allows too much room for reasonable doubt.
4. If you've been raped don't send a text to a friend stating "I think I've been raped," with a smiley face. Take it seriously. Call the police.
5. Don't spread rumors about your rapist, like "He's done this to other women," unless you are 100% certain it's true.

Remmy372
Remmy372

Since you were obviously there and have a first hand account of every detail why didn't you step forward to give your eye witness testimony?

Jail
Jail

@Remmy, Darn it, you got me there. Great comment.

Missoula Mom
Missoula Mom

@ Jail...you forgot the most IMPORTANT advice...should of been #1 on your list:
1. Do not lie, repeat that lie, get caught in that lie, lie again, repeat that lie, get caught in that lie on the witness stand...and so on!! OMG!! :)

detonate
detonate

Jail...there simply wasn't a case here. Fear mongering from the ncaa and the feds nosing around brought the charges. She was pissed he wasn't the prince on the white horse and tried the revenge card. All of this while her own deck was short numerous cards. I don't think the jury even needed to leave the courtroom. They decided this at break neck speed. All libtard trolls are now asked to return to their bridges...

Jazzy
Jazzy

The accuser will allow Jordan and his family to move on without further interference if she has any common sense. She was not a credible witness and her testimony was fraught with misrepresentations. Paoli will put the boots to her in a civil action; she will not be afforded anonymity, her personal history will be an open book unlike in the criminal trial and she will be slapped with a myriad of counterclaims. The anger and frustration that Missoulians feel about the recent criminal charade will be compounded should the accuser proceed in the civil arena.

Melech
Melech

"I like everything he was doing to me in bed, but when he was finished he did not even cuddle with me or kiss me and it makes me feel like a tramp. After I dropped him off his place all he said was, "well thanks. I really felt used. I come to realization he will not ask me to marry him. So, I have no choice but sue him for being ungrateful and for wasting my time!"

Rubygirl
Rubygirl

Melech,

You totally lack empathy. Shame on you.

Cameo01
Cameo01

This incident was tragic in so many ways. We don't know what really went on in that bedroom, all we know is that the jury determined a not guilty result. It may not seem fair that an accuser can be shielded by anonyminity while the accused is publicly labeled a rapist and sex offender, however this is the way the system is set up and I believe it is the best way. I think a greater injustice occurs if victims are reluctant to come forward in fear of exposure or reprisal. It is up to the prosecutor's office and L.E. to investigate statements and prosecute the accusers if it is believed that they are untruthful.

This case should probably have never gone to trial with the existing evidence, but some cases need to be prosecuted, whatever the reasons. Perhaps Fred was pressured by outside forces, we will never know. An easy way out for him would have been to convene and present this case to a Grand Jury, but that option wasn't pursued. The judge should have never allowed the blanket to be brought in to court as it served no evidentury purpose. The stain was irrelavent regardless who it belonged to since both parties admitted that sex occurred. I wonder if the reason it was never tested was because any results would only benefit the defense.

I believe we would be better off moving on. What ever the two parties decide to do from here on is up to them and is their own business. I wish them both only the best in repairing their lives. Perhaps the future will hold some pertinant information as to who was behind the various groups that are now involved with investigatiions at the UM. We can speculate, but I believe that when the dust settles, the public has a right to know.

pl
pl

Is there EVER any doubt that a GRIZZZZZ football player would be guilty of anything? Not in my mind. And yet another young woman falls as the victim to the "great" GRIZZZZZZ.
My God, Missoula, when will you ever wake up that it's JUST football?

You must be high
You must be high

pl, .... Why not explain your agenda. Did you have a point? Or you just upset that justice was served?? You seem to have your head in the sand.

JMontana
JMontana

Rediculous argument. See Beau Donaldson trial, you'll have to think back an entire 2 months, but that is what happens when a "GRIZZZZ player" breaks the law, they get a far WORSE sentence than those would in the general public. As for completely innocent GRIZZZ players (FACT, see Jordan Johnson trial), no we don't arrest them just to please those who ficticiously and without cause try to make football players out to be bad people to make their petty lives seem more significant (see Gwen Florio).

SDBOY
SDBOY

You folks that are attacking Fred V. Are barking up the wrong tree. His son while a nice guy and a good but small football player was not Griz material. Too small. He did not need a scholarship because his mother teaches at the school and he could attend and not pay tuition.

You must be high
You must be high

Don't you realize?? Fred V was behind this 100%. He should also be ashamed. This trial was absurd. They never had a valid case, yet he still won't admit that Jordan is innocent of the charge against him. I wish he would step down, but I'm sure the best we will get is that he will not run for reelection.

tank man
tank man

NEWS FLASH.....THIS SCORE JUST IN..

JORDAN JOHNSON 1
GIRL WITH NO NAME 0

GREAT FINAL...

CONGRATS JORDAN

Been There
Been There

If, as previously stated by at least one commentator, Fred Van Valkenberg's son was denied a football scholarship by UM, wouldn't it be a conflict of interest for him to try Johnson's rape case because he had a personal relationship with UM? I think a different venue and a different prosecutor would have resulted in a different verdict. By the way, I do not live in Missoula but I have two daughters and four granddaughters who do. My advice to them is to move.

msladon
msladon

i have a daughter and a granddaughter in the Missoula community, my advice to them is to stay and be the honest, caring people they are!

sportscaster
sportscaster

Does Fred Van Valkenberg sound like the Griz hating, I'm-mad-because-you-didn't-give-my-son-a-football-scholarship man he is? Unbelievable to make that statement, as a lawyer and especially as an elected county attorney, who should be unelected the next chance we get.

ParadoxofChoice
ParadoxofChoice

Dear Missoulians living in the Post-Modern Era:

We as a community have experienced something here that only further demonstrates the moral breakdown of our society concerning the realm of sexuality. The real issue in question should be about the nature of "consensual-sex". More often than not in college campuses across the United States events like the one we have experienced (whether willingly or not) through the exposure of the media as well as legal system have really brought the idea of what constitutes "consensual-sex" to the forefront.

Whether you be a feminist or mildly conservative person, you must admit that some things needs to be made clear. Both of the adults for whom this trial was focused know what happened that night, however we as a society are forced to ask each other what happened. What constitutes "consensual-sex"? Is "consensual-sex" even possible? Is it a dream created out of the sexual-revolution? Lets gets some answers to some questions here.

Obviously, both of the adults in question had feelings for each other at one point or another. Sex was an option on the table. We as a society have come to expect this with our college students. "Oh its just raging hormones!" Yet, we will not accept the outcomes or consequences of what happens. Scenarios like the one that happened in our community likely happen all the time. We seem to think that everything will be ok, and that we should just let those kids have sex and deal with their own issues! Yet, look what happened based upon the perceptions of each side.

Jordan Johnson was obviously under the influence of alcohol and thought that he could get sex from a woman that he had some feelings for at one time. His view of acceptable consensual sex is apparently acceptable in our society.

Female X obviously had feelings for Jordan Johnson, enough to straddle him and initiate sex. Her willingness for consensual sex was obviously not in question. However, when she perceived that Jordan went to far she 'thought' that she was raped.

So obviously the common factor 'consensual sex' is not seen as the enemy. Yet, when emotions rise and physical bodily reactions increase we as a society are somehow expected to be able to "STOP" the action before it becomes something more than we wanted. Are we ignorant? crazy? stupid? Can we really have our cake and eat it too? Apparently our society thinks so. And until we deal with this, we will have many many many more cases just like this one all over our country.

Hate to say it, but the best way to avoid all of these issues is to culturally reserve sexuality for committed marital relationships. Whether we as a society can or will do that is up to us.

No matter what side you take on this legal case, we all know that Jordan and Woman X will likely seriously reconsider any future sexual encounters that they have for a certain period of time because they had to learn about the consequences of consensual sex the hard way.

Peace

You must be high
You must be high

Are you "ignorant? crazy? stupid?"?

Jordan Johnson was NOT (obviously or otherwise) under the influence of alcohol.
Even the accuser testified to that fact.

Rubygirl
Rubygirl

He had 4 to 5 beers before he went on the date. He did not drive because he drank the beer. His not driving was the only good choice he made that night. even if she did not say no and he did not rape her he still had casual sex, drank 4-5 beers as and under the age of 21 and he did not use a condom. Not much to be proud of.

Been There
Been There

Judging from the 211 or so comments in favor of the non guilty verdict in the Johnson rape trial, I think it would be difficult to find an unbiased jury in Missoula. My heart goes out to the victim. Hopefully, she can put this mess behind her and move on with her life (preferably not in Missoula). I also think that the outcome of the trial will make it more difficult for women in the community to press charges against their rapists. (Who would willingly want to put their whole life out there for others to judge.) I am glad I live in a community that takes sexual assaults seriously and does a thorough investigation of each complaint. Missoula has a long way to go to overcome its reputation as the rape capitol of Montana. The University of Montana, through its bungling of this matter from start to finish, has a long way to go to reestablish its trust (and its attitude) as a safe place for women students. It seems that not much has changed since I was a student there 20 years ago.

jacksommersby88
jacksommersby88

Sadly, when the team's running back Donaldson got convicted of rape, there wasn't this much celebration. It should've been -- by the likes of "A rapist is off the streets of Missoula and the hallways of campus!" inasmuch as there were groans and blue moods by the likes of "Gee, I wonder how this'll affect the team's chances of getting to the championship next year."

Bass Whacker
Bass Whacker

OK Jack, you win, we all concede you are the sorest loser of all time!

You must be high
You must be high

Jack, what is your agenda exactly?? Seriously.

JMontana
JMontana

Johnson is innocent Jack. Donaldson (still has absolutely nothing to do with this case although you and Gwen seem to find a link) after turning down a scholarship to play for MSU, came to UM, and in the off season raped a childhood friend, which likely ruined two + lives. This is not a happy event for anybody (except Gwen Florio) and has NOTHING to do with football (once again). Jordan Johnson is innocent, and this was unanimous. I'm sorry more lives aren't ruined so you can sleep better at night thinking your life isn't so bad...

Remmy372
Remmy372

Funny that I never heard that. Everyone that I talked to, and I have no friends that aren't Griz fans, thought Donaldson needed to be hung by his sack. Not one mention of a championship or any football at all. Donaldson is right where he needs to be...and so is JJ.

Bittersweet
Bittersweet

Remember the hury pool was huge and both sides agreed on the chosen 12 as well as the alternates. One thing that is interesting is the amount of commenters that feel Johnson was guilty has dwindled as the real facts were revealed. The same commenters that crucified Johnson based on Florios articles 9 months ago are the same ones who now believe he is innocent. It was nothing to do with a biased jury. They simply heard out the case and considered all the facts, not just the ones you read in this publication.

You must be high
You must be high

Been There, ... You must not be here now. If you are, please explain who did "a thorough investigation" in this case.

msladon
msladon

there were more women on this jury who actually listened to the facts than there were men. the women on the jury voted unanimously for a not guilty verdict. doesn't that say something? the reason there are so many comments is because it was a very volitile issue in our community and it took a jury of unbiased men and women to determmine the facts of the case. they found the defendant NOT GUILTY.

Fawzhuh
Fawzhuh

Yes it does say something. A unanimous decision is necessary in a major crime case like rape. I don't think the majority jury vote applies here. The jury got it right here but I don't think it is as cut and dried as some would like to think. A direct quote from one of the female jurors appears in THIS article that leads me to believe that there was some struggle at arriving at their decision. I have included it below with capitalization for emphasis to indicate how I, at least, arrived at that conclusion.

One of the jurors said Friday evening that “WE WERE KIND OF HUNG UP on the fact that we just couldn’t do a conviction because WE WEREN’T SURE whether Mr. Johnson was aware of whether the sex was non-consensual.”

“You just can’t convict somebody if you’re NOT 100 PERCENT, OR REASONABLY SURE,” said Donna M. Aucutt, who described the 2 1/2 hours of deliberations as cordial. “It’s a sad case all the way around, with so many people affected. But you’ve just got to go with WHAT THE LAW SAYS ... and THERE WAS THAT LITTLE BIT OF DOUBT whether Mr. Johnson knew.”

sport
sport

I too read this in the exact same way as you. And again, I don't have a dog in the fight. I have a son and a daughter in their early 20s, and my son is a student athlete out of state. Just trying to analyze the available information objectively. As I see it, if the law were reversed, such that a person had to be proven innocent beyond a reasonable doubt, there would be very different outcomes. The criminal justice system was founded on giving the benefit of even the slightest doubt to the accused. Its the most civilized system in the world. The consequences of a conviction when we just don't know with absolute certainty are too great for any society. Measuring those consequences against the injustice to a victim when the reasonable doubt standard can't be met simply can't be done.

Bittersweet
Bittersweet

One juror was interviewed last night on television (anonymous) Didn't sound like there was much debate at all regarding decision. He simply said there was no evidence. Many people have been saying that all along. No evidence.

sport
sport

Re: Bittersweet's post here: just to make sure the facts are correct as they are represented here, its important to note that the juror who was speaking anonymously on T.V. was an alternate and was not part of any of the deliberations. Alternates are never part of deliberations and are excused as soon as the jury enters that phase of the trial. The alternate juror referred to on T.V. carried no weight in the discussions or in the decision, so it seems odd and somewhat offensive that he felt he could speak for the jury as if he represented them. I couldn't help but wonder how the jury felt about that. On the other hand, the woman who was quoted in the paper identified herself, and was part of the entire process including of all the conversations and the challenges they faced. I'm more inclined to give her credibility and authority in her statement. As we have been hung up on "facts" in this case, this too is important one. We can't simply be selective about facts.

Fawzhuh
Fawzhuh

@Bittersweet. Found a piece on KPAX. Nothing on KECI. He was an alternate juror and wasn't involved in the deliberation. Wasn't even in the room and he said LACK of evidence not no evidence. Boils down to another he said/she said scenario. I find someone actually involved in the deliberation more credible in this particular instance.

Alternate juror discusses Jordan Johnson case

“The alternate juror says he wasn't allowed in the room when the jury was deliberating over their verdict.
He wishes to remain unidentified, but tells us he isn't surprised Johnson was found not guilty.
"The lack of evidence was troubling.”

history
history

As has been pointed out throughout this case, according to the law, the jury had just those 2 questions to answer: Was there consent and was their knowledge of consent. As you quoted above: 'One of the jurors said Friday evening that “WE WERE KIND OF HUNG UP on the fact that we just couldn’t do a conviction because WE WEREN’T SURE whether Mr. Johnson was AWARE of whether the sex was NON-CONSENSUAL.' This reads to me as though the jury answered the first question and determined it was not consensual. Its reads as if they did not have doubt there. But the second part regarding "knowledge of consent" is where they were left with "that little bit of doubt" and therefore had "GO WITH WHAT THE LAW SAYS," and follow the criminal standard for conviction or acquittal.

duane_webb
duane_webb

Name the accuser! Anonymity gives false accusers another chance to falsely accuse again! The public and potential victims of false accusers have the right to know their identities to avoid this type of UNNECESSARY DURESS.

duck79
duck79

I placed a call to Ms. Florio yesterday afternoon after the verdict and she answered.
From my conversation with her I asked her a few questions. One: As the principle beat reporter did she investigate the background of both accused and accuser? No she said I only report what was released and transpired during the trial. Secondly, I asked her would the name of the plaintiff be released to the public; absolutely not she told me. When asked if that would be the case if Mr. Johnson brought civil suit? Yes, if that would to happen she and the Missoulian would do just that. Here is to hoping that happens!

Bittersweet
Bittersweet

There will be no civil suit against the accuser. Paoili would have a better chance suing Lee Enterprises. They are more responsible for defamation of character that Doe is.

Bass Whacker
Bass Whacker

No paper is going to publish the accuser's name so you are wastin your time asking. But you can do a little sleuthing from the testimony at trial. If you recall the accuser's father's occupation, where he worked and what school she transferred to, what city she transferred from . . .

Yankee
Yankee

Jordans parents, or other reatives have spent an unbelievable amount on defending Jordan. I am wondering if anyone is setting up a fund to help defray costs. I am willing to donate.

Ergo
Ergo

My husband and I both want to donate, just hoping someone steps up to organize.

duane_webb
duane_webb

He needs to start up a Foundation or non-profit for legal services addressing the very serious problem of false accusers on campus. If this had been a media-blinded jury it wouldn't have gone so well.

RPT
RPT

I think both of these young people would be well advised to leave Missoula and build their futures elsewhere.
Her for obvious reasons but especially for Jordan Johnson....Keep in mind that the same powers to be and legal peeps
that allowed this disgraceful farce against him to happen are still in place at that university and City Hall... And they have
just got caught with their pants down and faces rubbed in it....And they have LONG memories.
If Jordan does decide to remain in Missoula they’ll be watching him like a hawk waiting for any little mistake so they can get even and be able to say “I told you so”... He’d best plan on
having others watching his back 24/7 if he stays.

JMontana
JMontana

I agree the accuser should probably up and leave town. It sounds as though there is much turmoil in her classrooms and in her personal life, it will only get much more difficult from here, she would be best off starting over elsewhere. As for Mr. Johnson, I agree he will be under a microscope (just as the entire football team will be, and always has been) but a kid like this has little to worry about. He is a quality kid with great character, and it would be too fitting for him to come back and have a great season for the Griz right here in front of the entire community. Knowing what I know about this kid, there is no reason to believe he will ever be in a negative situation again throughout his final year. I wish both families the best of luck moving forward, because it wont be easy for either of them, but I certainly hope JJ decides to press forward right here, and continue to show people how great of a guy he is, and always has been.

Dcmissoula
Dcmissoula

Mr. Johnson needs to sue and make an example of his accuser. Teach these rape baiters a lesson in justice.

Alan Johnson
Alan Johnson

First of all, she probably has no money. Second of all, the burden of proof is much easier in a civil case. It's simply preponderance of the evidence, in otherwords one side wins if the evidence is 51 percent on their side. If this trial had been based on preponderance of the evidence, the verdict might have been different in the criminal trial. I think both sides best stay out of court. There's little to gain and a lot to lose.

sport
sport

Thank you for pointing this out. It might also be useful this for you to explain more in depth the notion that in cases where there is a not guilty verdict that does equate to a false accusation. I'm not sure how most cases would go to trial if that was an automatic conclusion or consequence of every non guilty criminal verdict. It seems that proving a false accusation occurred in this case would be equally as hard as proving for certain this incident did or did not happen. As I understand it the issues seem to be the same. And we have no way of knowing with absolute certainty what is true or false in any of this. But, fortunately our system affords that the burden of proof is so great.

I can only imagine that the Johnson family is overwhelmingly relieved and satisfied with the result. From what we have seen it doesn't appear that being vindictive is their style. Carrying themselves with character seems to be more their mode of operation. Many have suggested that Jordan is a direct reflection of that. No doubt they are conscious that the question of innocence beyond a reasonable doubt can't be proven either, and therefore maintaining humility and keeping a low profile in terms of this case really does seem to be in their best interest. It seems they are more than aware that they've received the greatest outcome possible.

Also in terms of people offering donations to help offset the cost to the Johnson's It would be interesting to know what the actual NCAA guideline would be on something like that. I have a son who is a college athlete out of state and I know those rules are very rigid. A student can't even take free refreshments at a tailgate. There are so many "opinions" but do you have any factual knowledge on that issue?
Thanks.

Rubygirl
Rubygirl

I am sure his family is so proud of his moral code that night.

CodyFromCowboyCountry
CodyFromCowboyCountry

What I know from this trial:

Ideas about rape remain a hot topic. Stereotypes about rape and confusion about rape by someone you know is a widely misunderstood experience by men and women alike.

A court of law is not the standard by which most people live their lives. In other words, a crime can be committed, but if the standard of proof is not met to clearly indicate evidence of that crime, an acquittal is likely.

Someone cannot be held accountable for a crime if the standard of proof is not met. This is not the same thing as the accuser having lied about the crime.

Both sides of the courtroom go through hell. Once a verdict is rendered, both sides should be allowed to move forward in the best way possible. Hatred and vigilante attitudes toward the accuser bring us all back to the time when rape victims were blamed for even bringing up their accusations. There are many people who still believe outdated and dangerous ideas.

Rape in Montana does not have to be defined by whether a victim fought her assailant. However, a jury has a harder time determining if someone said no if there is no evidence of a struggle. Sadly cases that go to trial may mean a woman must risk bodily harm, or worse, in order to prove to a jury that she indicated no. This is not right, but I fear it is the current state of affairs.

The role of advocates for victims who are sexually assaulted is widely misunderstood. Because of the historic indifference toward rape victims, advocacy and support organizations play a vital role. When the defense indicates a general conspiracy by these groups to encourage women to "get even" they do a disservice to both men and women who would like their communities to be more free of sexual violence.

Defense strategies that reinforce stereotypes about women do harm to both men and women. The same is true for stereotypes about rape, because people who believe myths about violent crime make it easier for communities to tolerate those crimes.

On-line forums are not the place to get support if you are personally being affected by the issue at hand. They generally do not bring out the best in people, and too often become a place where like-minded individuals reinforce each others notions about volatile subjects. Although a place for free expression of ideas, on-line forums quickly deteriorate into places of hatred and ignorance.

It takes courage for any victim of a violent crime to place the issue into the hands of a jury in a court of law. Regardless of the verdict, that courage advances the cause of decreasing violence, although the learning curve for communities can be arduously slow.

Flip Wilson
Flip Wilson

That is a very thoughtful response. I may not be as articulate as you, but I was disturbed by the prosecution witness from Massachussetts who essentially cast a stereotype over all men. His testimony was completely in line with what I think of as the militant feminist approach, which I don't think very many men OR women in this country buy into. After all, women outnumbered men on the jury and I think they were offended by it too. He essentially said, in my opinion, that no matter how good or decent a man may seem, that any man has the potential to be a rapist.... and that NO MATTER how inconsistent or bizarre or deceitful a woman's behavior is after an alleged rape... you must believe her... it is all consistent with being raped. In other words, in my opinion, he was a male mouthpiece for the extreme militant feminists.... i.e. 'ALL men are rapists. ALL women are rape victims.' The defense attorney asked the men and women of the jury to use their good common sense in evaluating his testimony and I believe they did. This type of broad spectrum politically driven speech is divisive and does not help bring men and women together to solve this problem.

casinebdwp
casinebdwp

Excellent response.

PK67
PK67

Thank you for your clear explanation of the law. It's hard to read the hateful comments being made here. Your calm reasoned response brings some peace to this painful event.

sport
sport

This is probably the best response written on this matter in a very long time. And it was written with the right type of sensitivity to the real issues all communities face . There have been so many cruel over-statements that put man against woman, woman against man. So many of us out here truly appreciate the contribution and challenges of both genders, and try hard not to separate them. That separation is key to the problem at its very core.

Thank you for your logical reasoning and the absence of an attack on an individual. Dialogue like this is what helps solve problems rather than perpetuate exaggerated and dangerous stereotypes that are not productive. Wish this post could come back to a how it was intended, as so many have stopped using it as a forum for effective civil discourse.

Again thank you for addressing this thoughtfully.

Montanagirlfarfromhome
Montanagirlfarfromhome

The trial is over and the jury has made its decision, whether you agree or disagree, there is no going back. This trial truly provides food for thought for all of us with young boys and girls we are raising. What do we teach our children?
Healthy relathionships include healthy sexuality. Knowing somebody for a while, spending time together, having a strong friendship... having sex as part of the relationship is healthy. Society promotes indiscriminate sexual activity. When I was in college I think I promoted it too. However, as a society, if we promote more healthy relationships, this may be less prevalent. Rape will still occur because rape is not about sex but situations like this will most certainly decrease.

Jazzy
Jazzy

I believe Fred V is retiring. "Super litigator" Adam Duerk apparently wants to succeed Fred, however, the electorate needs to make sure that doesn't happen. Adam is a pompous attention seeker who doesn't do his homework as we saw earlier in the week when he was cross examining Dr. Stratford. Adam obviously wasn't aware of the diagnostic criteria for PTSD or that pharmacology is a rapidly evolving science (e.g., the drugs Stratford prescribed in 2005 are not used for the same purpose now). Likewise, Adam has an abysmal batting record with the MT Supreme CT. Boylan is obviously not a good candidate for county atty either.. Pabst is a class act and an excellent attorney; if anyone deserves the job she does. Hats off to her and Paoli for an excellent job in righting a terrible wrong in our community!!!

JMontana
JMontana

GWEN: Insert apology HERE. I'm sorry your agenda to taint the classy and prestigeous football program at UM didn't end up working out. Your unquestionably biased and mostly fabricated reporting has been a black eye to what is typically a solid, respectable news delivering vehicle (Missoulian). You'll have to go back to the drawing board and pick something new to "make up" about the football team, because as has been proved once again, despite your shotty reporting hinting otherwise (without proof, evidence, or even reasonable reports) there are very few (if any) character or personal "issues" on the Montana football team. You can go get coffee with Fred and Mr. Williams sometime, as they are the other two people in the state of MT who don't like football players and are willing to defame, wrongfully accuse, and waste people's time to try and further their own biased agenda. You should be ashamed of yourself for how you handled your coverage of this case and other unwarrented, UNCHARGED accusations toward the Montana football team, and you (just like I'm sure you believe student athletes) should be held accountable for your actions. I hope the Missoulian takes swift and fair action to try and restore what was once a very reputable newspaper.

MT oldie
MT oldie

Swift and fair action??? Hell, they just gave her an award and, oddly enough, during the JJ trial. How is that for being fair and swift? No way will they fire her now. And the award was for uncovering an ALLEGED gang rape that turned out to be something the female was happy about as seen in video coverage of the event from a phone....wonder NOW why the Police didn't file charges??

Bittersweet
Bittersweet

People love to critisize her reporting, which is exactly why the editors let her have free reign. Unfortunately, they are ultimately responsible for her actions. I don't think Jordan or his family will be suing anyone but in my opinion this reporter is as responsible as anyone for much of the uproar over UM and MPD handling of cases. What is sad is by making this a three ring circus she has done more harm than good when it comes to fighting for womens rights.

Roger
Roger

I have to disagree - the Missoulian has not been a respectable newspaper for a very long time, if ever. It's a leftist rag, that's all.

JMontana
JMontana

Fair enough. The truth is I have only read the Missoulian for a couple of years and do not have very much information on it's "respectability." I was just assuming that it has only gotten progressively worse since Gwen joined the crew with her wild imagination and biased agenda... Thanks for clearing that up for me.

LCHelenajr
LCHelenajr

The former QB does not need to make it to the NFL to make money.

Missoula Mike
Missoula Mike

“The outcome here is a not guilty verdict,” Van Valkenburg said. “It is not an innocent verdict.”

Fred Van Valkenburg is a classless sore loser. The correct response is "The jury has decided and we respect their verdict", not some statement intended to make it look as if this prosecution was somehow justified. I'm not an attorney, but I believe the choices are "guilty" or "not guilty".

Thanks for wasting more taxpayer money again, Fred prosecuting a case that had no evidence other than she said he said and ruining two young people's lives in the process.

When will Missoula rid itself of the arrogant, classless Fred Van Valkenburg?

You must be high
You must be high

Hopefully very, very, soon.

Cato
Cato

Fred knows better. The presumption is that the defendant is "innocent until proven guilty."

The canard -- and that is all it is -- that "not guilty" is qualitatively different than "innocent" is a debater's trick often relied on by bad journalists which implies a semantic distinction that happens to be wrong.

"Innocence" is the rebuttable presumption, and the State must rebut it. If the presumption is not rebutted, the defendant remains "innocent" under our statutes.

Fawzhuh
Fawzhuh

I disagree. Below please find some excerpts from a criminal defense attorney's article and a "link" to that article.

Juries never find defendants innocent. They cannot. Not only is it not their job, it is not within their power. They can only find them "not guilty."

It is the point at which I educate jury members to the distinction between their ability to return a verdict of "not guilty" and their inability to return a verdict of "innocent."
In most of my cases, it is the most important piece of information I pass to the jury before it begins its deliberations.
I do not rush out with it. I preface it, slowly and carefully, in an even and solemn voice: A verdict of "not guilty" can mean two entirely different things. It can, of course, mean that you believe the defendant (I would use my client's name) is innocent. However, it can mean something entirely different. A verdict of "not guilty" can mean a verdict of "not proven." Even if you are very sure the defendant is guilty, but the state has not proven it "beyond a reasonable doubt," then it is your sworn duty to return a verdict of "not guilty."

http://www.oregoncriminalattorney.com/Criminal-Defense-Overview/Innocent-V-Not-Guilty.shtml

duane_webb
duane_webb

A 'not guilty' verdict isn't an 'innocent' verdict?? I had no idea there was a Jury Verdict grey area - maybe Fred could elaborate.

Vintagebug
Vintagebug

JUSTICE for JORDAN. SUE THE HELL OUT of everyone you can Jordan. Very glad to hear the people of Missoula are smart enough to see threw all the BS. This girl should have some type of charge for the cost that the people of MISSOULA had to flipping pay for. How do we get that wasted tax money back? Mayor there are some real street projects that the money would be much better spent on. lights would be a good start. IT MAY NOT BE THE GIRLS FAULT ALONE TO PRESS CHARGES. O let me give you a little history on this want-a-be counselor Drew Colling @ the UM health and human services. She was a counsler at the local METHADONE ( DRUG) CLINIC here in Missoula as a DRUG counsler before she was hired to be in the health and human service's at the U of M. While her time spent there involved numerous false reports. She lies like a rug. I most certianly would not want my kids to ever get any help in any way shape or form at the U of M Health services While she works there. Belive me when I say this lady has zero ability. and in no way should she be in any job to do with helping people. SHE IS A FULL BLOWN LIAR and I have no dought she made this into what it wasn't . RAPE. She works with the girl that filed the charge and I belive she confenced the girl she was raped. She lied and made up false reports on a regular basis at her prior job with Community Medical Services. Not to be confused with Community Medical Center. LIE LIE LIE . She is the pres and CEO of the liars club. She has some mental issues that someone should have seen when she was in school. She is maybe 23 and zero experance as a human being and much less (1/4 percent, like her diagn) at helping people. She is in a job she sholud not be within 500 yards of. Thats helping people. I personaly wrote a letter to Montana Senator Max Baucus. The Montana Attorney Genral. The state methadone athority. (EVERYONE) Her name is on the desk of everyone that can investagate her. I WANT MONTANA FOLKS TO KNOW WHAT KIND OF PEOPLE ARE WORKING AT THE U OF M. That are supose to be for our kids. How can you get help from so called professional that contenusly lies and mis diagnose' peoples issues. If you need a couslor DO NOT SEEK OUT HELP FROM THE MENTAL HEALTH SERVICES ON CAMPUS. RUN =RUN= RUN. I belive in carma and you better not stand next to DREW COLLING you will be struck.

PhilL
PhilL

I hope you used spell check when you wrote your letter to the Senator.

duane_webb
duane_webb

Thanks for the info 'Vintage'. We definately need a watchlist for accusers, counselors, false-forensic interviewers, and corrupt officials who promote the fabrication of cases using rape/molestation cards.

msonelson
msonelson

So you don't get to send people off to rot in prison because you got your feelings hurt even if you cry. That doesn't seem quite fair.

gymnsteele
gymnsteele

Hmmm, its a shame this thing had to happen in the first place, it seemed like an issue of a woman Scorned, and a woman who felt an intense need to get even with this guy, and to use the system for her revenge and it backfired on her. What a shame, this situation can make it difficult for others who have, or, will be assaulted and have a legitimate claim. Pretty poor presentation by the prosecution and an excellent job by the defense. My respect for the legal arena has increased a lot after watching this process. And congrats to the jury for a job well done.

madtaxpayer
madtaxpayer

great news! It was also a huge waste of taxpayers money and time. I am a woman, and if I were being raped without a weapon to my neck I would scream bloody murder. people would have heard her faster than he could have hurt her. sorry little girl but you invited the sex and you wanted attention. a lot of girls do that, and it's unfair for the good boys, now there are plenty of TRUE rapes that need/needed attention and didn't get it. that is the sad part. this was nothing but a girl wanting attention, and she cost us too much money. now let this be a lesson to the rest of you boys out there, please stay away from her.

PhilL
PhilL

How can they avoid her when they don't know who she is?

Mazola
Mazola

One more attempt by Gwen to undermine this young man by printing the accusers false accusations of how "it" went down. JJ found not guilty is the subject of the article, why not print how he said "it" went down, or why even go there at all? Because of Gwen's agenda. Like some of the other posts on here, it's time to get out of Montana Gwen. We don't need your types around here anymore. Would someone kindly show her the door?

JMontana
JMontana

Agreed. I would like to know just how many times Gwen has posted remarks of how it now officially did NOT go down. 12 people sat in a room and listened for three weeks every angle imagineable and in just over two hours, were able to unanimously agree that JJ is not guilty, That's the ONLY story here, nothing else. All of the other garbage is now just fabrication and by law, not true, so stop reporting it!

tomster
tomster

That is exactly what I thought! I don't like all this piling on against Gwen Florio for just reporting the story, but the fact that she keeps retelling the accuser's story and not Johnson's in every story is biased.

Pascal
Pascal

This case illustrates many issues. First of all, a jury MAY get it right for the wrong reasons. In this case, according to a few comments by jurors stated in the article, they could not convict because they were not sure if the defendant knew the sex was non consensual. Hmmm!! How about the fact that this was one person's word against another. How do we decide who to believe in these kinds of situations. Even Solomon in all of his wisdom could not do it so he devised a strategy to have the child cut in half so as to see who was the true mother. The Bible says we should confirm any testimony the two or three witnesses. The Constitution says witnesses. If I had been on the jury, I would have said not guilty just on the basis of one person's word against another - unfortunately we find many people guilty today based on just one persone or circumstantial evidence. Fortunately today, we have DNA and other forensic devices that help exonerate such people.
Secondly neither party represent what is wholesome and decent in our young people. Rather they represent people who feel they can do anything without consequences. Both have had their eyes opened to not only consequences but how our judicial system works.
Thirdly, this case reflects poorly on the county attorney's office and the University of Montana. The county attorney thinks( and sadly most county attorneys in the nation) believes that you should be able to convict just on the basis of a young woman's word. The UM believed the man was guilty of something so they kicked him off the team. Now he many have been guilty of something but again it is one person's word against another.
I hope both can go on with their lives having learned that truth and justice does not necessarily come out of a courtroom no matter what the verdict.

Flip Wilson
Flip Wilson

Well said. You make some good points. Both of these kids now have the chance to go out in the world and make it a better place and put this behind them. We all made mistakes in our youth that sometimes haunt us for a long time, but motivate us to be better people than we might have ever been.

Roger
Roger

Johnson should never have been charged in the first place - the evidence just isn't there.

artwurq
artwurq

Haha, Missoula is nothing if not opinionated. I love this town.. It matters and I am not even going to state my opinion. It would be lost in the shuffle anyway. But lovin' Missoula. Whether right, wrong or inbetween, you all have something to say... That's been the fun part in this terrible fiasco..

Honor
Honor

I guess with this over we can focus on who let the real rapist get home to Saudi Arabia right? If you are upset with rape at UM, why does the President get a pass on that fiasco? No one disputes that the Saudi student raped one and attempted to rape another. Lets see the "protocol" that requires the U to tell a student accused of rape before they tell the police. I call bull.

jacksommersby88
jacksommersby88

I'm confused -- how is the Saudi Arabia guy the "real rapist" if he didn't go to trial and get acquitted? Or is it that he was non-white/non-football player that makes him lower on the totem pole than Johnson?

msladon
msladon

he didn't go to trial because he was warned about the rape charges before they were filed and fled the country Jack. you are so sad jack, its unbelievable.

duane_webb
duane_webb

We have an extradition agreement with S.A. If the evidence supports the accusers claim extradition is an option - if not, oh well.

jacksommersby88
jacksommersby88

I'm well aware of all that. But all during the Johnson trial I kept hearing, "He's not guilty unless he's found guilty." Well, the Saudi student didn't go to trial, thus he wasn't found guilty. So why the double standard. I myself think the guy was probably guilty; I'm just wondering about the hypocrisy, that's all.

MT oldie
MT oldie

I think the Saudi case is relevant. What it says is that this is and always has been an issue on the ENTIRE campus and Missoula. This issue is not and should not have been about football players. One football player pleads guilty. That is the only case that can be sited. What about all of the other crime and sexual assaults or alleged assaults on campus or off??? Why does Engstrom get to stay and others have to go? The buck stops with him.

Bittersweet
Bittersweet

..."how is the Saudi Arabia guy the "real rapist" if he didn't go to trial and get acquitted?"

........

I see your point although Johnson took the stand in his own defense while looking the prosecution team right in the eye. The Saudi student I think had been accused by two different women and most importantly, he sure left town on short notice. Just sayin. Why run?

north of the border
north of the border

Food for Thought
I just wanted to further extend my gratitude to your city for giving this young man a fair trial.
Growing up with Detroit as my neighbour (another UM) great memories are ingrained in my mind and persona. When I moved west in Canada I needed a NCAA fix. I found myself in Missoula. One of the most beautiful cities I have visited.
I have dragged many a car load and sometimes a parade of comrades south through the beauties of Montana to arrive in Missoula... thank you for the many awesome micro breweries that keep the backseat fuelled for the long journey. Sadly in 2012 I arrived to a city I didn't recognize. A definite stench had soured the atmosphere. It took a while, and an over chatty buddy to realize what sadness was all about.
All I can say is Detroit is healing very slowly, but they are healing. I hope Missoula can heal and love like the city that I once fell in love with. I'm a father with an 18 month daughter, and if she's tough enough the man that was in question can coach her.

Peanut
Peanut

Does anyone know of a support group or anything that I contact to offer support to this poor girl? I feel so bad for her and want her to know that there are people out there that believe her and are proud of her for doing what a lot of us have never had the guts to do.

Flip Wilson
Flip Wilson

Yes, if there is a group called 'Liars Anonymous'. If you were at the trial, you would have heard evidence that she made specific, outrageous and blatantly dishonest claims about things he did to her in the bedroom that she later had to recant under oath. Based on these grotesque and false claims, the whole ball got rolling with the judicial system. And she too, apparently got caught up in it and didn't pull the brake when she could have to stop this expensive, wasteful, destructive miscarriage of justice.

Peanut
Peanut

Wow, this is the first time anyone has ever called a rape victim a liar. Please, enlighten me with the details you were privy to in court.

Flip Wilson
Flip Wilson

Apparently, your only source of information is the Missoulian and the hack reporter Gwen florio. I WAS at the trial and statements she made to the First Step nurse and SARC counselor included sexually aggressive acts of a violent or loathsome nature supposedly perpetrated by the defendant. (I won't go into vivid detail, as this is supposedly a family forum) These were revealed at trial and deposition as BLATANT lies and she had to deny that any of those things happened under oath. How can I describe lying any better than that? Read the transcript. Then there was the issue of stating that he had TORN her leggings off, yet she continued to wear them and they were found to be completely undamaged and untorn. Stop referring to her as a rape victim. She was a willing and aggressive participant in the activities of the evening. Maybe she had regrets later, but that is not cause to lie and drag some guy into the mud.

You must be high
You must be high

How about the text messages to friends and "supporters" that her counselor had told her that there were other victims of Jordan Johnson, and that she was only the most recent??
The counselor denied telling her that.
Which one is lying??
The accuser was shown to have told many lies.
There was no rape victim in this case. Simple as that.

Roger
Roger

She's not a rape victim, and anyway, women frequently make false rape accusations.

duane_webb
duane_webb

She's not a rape victim - she's an accuser who wasn't able to prove that she was victimized.

Bittersweet
Bittersweet

YWCA Missoula. Did you follow the whole trial? I must admit I did only on twitter, but there was much information there you will never see printed in The Missoulian. Do some research, you might change your mind.

RoxxySan
RoxxySan

You must be out of your mind.

There's no way it went down like she said it did. It's possible that something sketchy happened in that bedroom, but her story was obviously a lie. I honestly don't think either of them were telling the complete truth.

casinebdwp
casinebdwp

http://www.rainn.org/
http://mcadsv.com/
You can find some insight from these websites. She should pursue a good counselor who works in this area.

Hey Flip Wilson ....unlike the original you just are not funny,

Roger
Roger

You're proud of her for making a false rape accusation? You're sick.

Nils
Nils

This is the second time in the last couple years that Dave Paoli has put the boots to the Missoula police dept. Wasn't too long ago that he defended Dr Walter Peschel against charges lodged by the police. Dr Peschel was acquitted, then Paoli turned around and sued the police (city of Missoula), and was awarded over $300,000.

Now, as was made clear in court, the Missoula police detectives did a half-____ed botched investigation in the Jordan Johnson case, then Van Valkenburg took the results of their "investigation" and filed highly dubious charges.

Unfortunately, Van Valkenburg's tenure as Missoula County Attorney will be marred and tainted by the poor judgment he exhibited in this case.

As citizens, we should all be troubled by the way the Jordan Johnson case was handled by the Missoula police dept and the Missoula County Attorney.

DonaldM
DonaldM

This prosecution was pushed by the corrupt Office for Civil rights(OCR) of the Holder Justice Dept. as a part of their phony "War against Women" campaign. Van Valkenburg's prosecution policy is to go to trial only if absolutely convinced the party is guilty and absolutely convinced that they can get a conviction.

He would never have brought such a case to trial on his own. And if you noticed, he did not participate in it. Now, many people have been hurt, including the claimant, and the County has spent lots of money, not to mention the acquitted defendant. A shameful episode.

mtmike
mtmike

@nils, how could the MPD done anything different?. The accuser did not come forth until well after the incident leaving them severely handicapped as far as gathering evidence.

MPD doesn't have any voice in whether a case goes to trial, that decision is made by the county attorney's office.

msladon
msladon

the MPD failed grossly when they allowed a blanket to be submitted into evidence that hadn't been scientifically tested to prove their allegations. this is the twenty first century mike, people as old and stupid as i am know about DNA sampling, doesn't the MPD?

Fawzhuh
Fawzhuh

The MPD is not responsible for testing,or submitting evidence, only collecting it. Neither did they make allegations. they enforced the law by making an arrest. Charges , and resulting alegations, were made by the County Attorney. The responsibility for testing if would fall to the State Crime Lab. The responsibility for SUBMITTING it at trial, and ensuring it is tested, would fall to the County Attorney. Regarding one of your other posts the state doesn't ADMIT evidence. That responsibility belongs to the judge. If you're going to pull the trigger at least process the target properly.

Jazzy
Jazzy

Why were the accuser and her family absent from the court room when the verdict was read.? She can dish it out yet when push comes to shove she does not stand up to the plate. Her testimony was fraught with falsity and inconsistency yet she is accountable to no one while Jordan has lived under a cloud for more than a year and his family has been financially drained. The accuser has succeeded in making the road much more difficult for victims of domestic abuse and sexual assault. Jordan soar high; many people love, admire and support you! A wonderful future awaits you.

Bittersweet
Bittersweet

"The accuser has succeeded in making the road much more difficult for victims of domestic abuse and sexual assault"....agreed, as well as certain newspaper "reporters" That's sad.

artwurq
artwurq

Bittersweet, although I won't go so far as to say that the accusor was wrong if she really felt she had a claim. Yes,,, when anyone knowingly files a false claim, it makes it harder for the true victims of a crime to be heard. Not to mention the life of the accused becomes a living nightmare. I wasn't a juror and I am not going to assume anything. But I truly hope justice prevailed.

mtndrums
mtndrums

If justice did not prevail, I think that would lie with the prosecution. They knew they didn't have anywhere near enough evidence, and then pulling in the one guy from the East Coast that seemed delusional put them in an even worse light. The funny thing is, I had a feeling that's how Fred was going to do it when he asked potential jurors if they thought it was possible for a woman to lie about rape.

artwurq
artwurq

I do think there seems to have been a rush to judgement on the part of Royce Engstrom. I'd be curoius to know what other people think about this.

You must be high
You must be high

Exactly. I concur.

SteviGirl
SteviGirl

"It's a not guilty verdict, not an innocent verdict." Wow, Fred, spoken like a true sore loser! And guess what you and your rag-tag legal circus are the only ones who see it that way. For me, it DOES mean innocent, and it confirms what I believed all along. Do what the Griz do on Sundays.....review the tape and make necessary adjustments.....can I recommend retirement so long as the confederacy of dunces goes too?

jacksommersby88
jacksommersby88

It wasn't beyond-a-reasonable-doubt innocent, but non-beyond-a-reasonable-doubt guilty.

Big difference.

You must be high
You must be high

Silly Jack, ... Jordan Johnson is innocent of the charge against him.
Try to prove otherwise.

Roger
Roger

Not really - if he's "not guilty", then he must be innocent. After all, it's "innocent until proven guilty", or presumption of innocence. He hasn't been proven guilty.

T-Dawg
T-Dawg

Leave Gwen, just leave Missoula, Montana for that matter... actually leave the western half of the US. The east coast might like you there. Look for a job opening at the National Enquirer. Your reputation and credibility as an unbiased journalist is ruined in Missoula. Good-bye.

duane_webb
duane_webb

No that's ok T-Dawg you can keep her over there - we have enough 'rape card' promoters here in the east as it is using their press privilege. We don't need another one.

Jazzy
Jazzy

So thankful and happy for Jordan and his family that he can get on with his life after living under a cloud for more than a year. The jury hardly had time to select a foreperson before acquitting him. SHAME on the county attorney's office, Adam Duerk and State AG for wasting taxpayer resources on this legal charade while real victims are not being served.

Joel Thompson should be sanctioned by the state Commission on Practice for alleging that Paoli is a liar; Thompson's lack of professionalism is appalling. As for Adam Duerk, another one bites the dust. This guy has lost a myriad of cases yet is a special prosecutor and has his sights set on being county attorney. NOT.

May God speed, Jordan. We know you will do well whatever path you choose to follow.

JMontana
JMontana

Completely agreed. The county attorney's office failed, the judge did a very poor job of leaving her emotions out and objectively running the trial from the jury selection, to the terminology used ("victim"???, unless she was referring to Johnson, O'Day, Pflugrad, or Foley, there were no other "victims" in the courtroom), all the way to the allowing and denying objections. She should be embarassed. As for Mr. Duerk, poor choice on his part for taking this case, he "pro bonoed" his way into a negative light in the public and could consequently cost him and his firm clients and money. Fred Van made a complete mess of this thing from the get-go. Never had a good case and was a fool for even thinking so, or lying to the public about thinking so. Sanctions should come down, and accountability should be sought after for everybody who was a part of dragging the young people through this circus, and mockery of the judicial system.

Bittersweet
Bittersweet

"We are thrilled to announce that Gwen Florio, a veteran reporter with more than 30 years' experience in journalism, will be our featured speaker at this year's YWCA Missoula Annual Meeting." (empowering women) 2/7/13

Tracker
Tracker

Thanks to the jury for their difficult, thoughtful duty. I'm glad I wasn't one of you, but I fully believe you soberly, conscientiously did your job. It's tough work and we all owe you our gratitude.

hellgatenights
hellgatenights

WHAT IF.........this whole show was to appease the Federal Justice Dept. (Under President Obama)? They agree to leave town.........local prosecutor agrees to punish SOMEONE on the Grizzly football team (To set an example for everyone else)!!?? Too sinister? No........this most likely is exactly what happened. To the FEDS. it doesn't matter who wins or who gets drug through the dirt.........EVERYONE gets the message, and that is what they want.

jacksommersby88
jacksommersby88

Oh, yes -- those evil Feds. Then please contact your congressmen and inform them not to bring federal pork home to this state. Reminds me of Alaska's we-hate-government spiel yet that state actually gets more federal prok than any other state. And it'd help to remember that there's still an NCAA investigation going on with the university, which has nothing to do with the Justice Department.

msladon
msladon

an investigation equates to guilt? sorry jack, we aren't buying your BS anymore.

You must be high
You must be high

Jack, How do you think this verdict will affect that on going investigation?

mtndrums
mtndrums

Good conspiracy theory, except that you have so many holes in there you have more air than paper. 1) Obama doesn't have any control over this investigation. Zip. Zilch. Nada. 2) Unless Holder was PERSONALLY out there investigating this (which I doubt, since I'd have heard about it by now), he wouldn't be the one calling the shots. 3) That would leave you with whatever lower-level agent was conducting the investigations, and said agent would still be there no matter who was in the White House. 4) If this WAS a plot hatched by Obama, he wouldn't go into one of the few blue spots in a red lake to do it. This is why conspiracy theorists end up sounding crazy most of the time, because when you have to make multiple Grand Canyon-sized leaps in logic to make it work, you're forgetting that human stupidity will usually foul said plot up long before it actually gets anywhere.

Bass Whacker
Bass Whacker

Been a lot of twitter speculation about where JJ will play football next. Seems most have missed what this young man is all about. First question is whether he can ever regain the passion needed to play at this level. I hope he is reinstated to the team Monday, and given the opportunity to use spring practice as therapy. Those speculating he will bolt to Weber State don't understand what a team player he is and that this is his team. Everyone on the team has supported him and will continuue to do so. The only thing that could cause him to decide not to play here is further blunders by UM's adminstration. Keep in mind UM didn't start this, the young woman did. A man of his honor won't punish his teammates and the rest of the U community who did not fail him or jump to premature conclusions. That said, Mr. Johnson has earned the right to hold his head high in this community and decide what's best for his personal future. I personally believe he will in fact overcome this ordeal and come back as a Griz, stronger than ever.

jacksommersby88
jacksommersby88

Since when does a "man of his honor" cheat on his girlfriend? If he hadn't done that, he wouldn't have been in this year-long predicament in the first place.

msladon
msladon

how many times do you have to be told jack, there wasn't a "girlfriend".

Roger
Roger

I guess Jack just has his own set of "facts".

You must be high
You must be high

Jack, Jack,... Don't you understand??? He could not cheat on his girlfriend, because he didn't have a girlfriend.
Why do you continue to distort the facts?
Jordan Johnson IS a "man of honor". And the jury agreed.

UMalumnus
UMalumnus

Watch the video. This is not the reaction of a guilty person. It's the reaction of someone who got their life back. You cannot fake a reaction like this.

So now where does Johnson go to get his reputation back? Where does UM and Missoula go to get theirs? Why does the media (the Kaimin excluded) get a free pass for over-hyping this? When will the DOJ end its civil investigation when after months of searching has come up with nothing? It is time to move on.

Also - I think after this verdict, the public has a right to know the accusers name. After all she nearly destroyed an innocent person's life but can remain anonymous. Does not seem fair.

KoKO
KoKO

At first I thought her name should be made public, but now I'm thinking this woman is emotionally unstable, and the hate she'd be subjected to might drive her over the edge. Better for everyone to move on and put this in the past.

Roger
Roger

I agree - it's only fair that the accuser's name be revealed.

MommaBear
MommaBear

I have a few thoughts to share before I get on with life and leave the public forum. First, I agree with the verdict and am relieved to see it come to an end. I got a lot of great information from these comments and with such high stakes, its nice to see support for both sides. With that said, I am disheartened by 2 things; first, that people feel there should be more suits and the accusers name revealed. I personally don't believe she acted with malice. I believe she was used by those with an agenda. She deserves to get on with her life as well as the Johnsons. Second, the comments directed towards the University. I don't feel the UM benefitted in any way from this trial. Administrators had a responsibility to uphold certain regulations when something like this happens. Good luck to all those invloved.

Roger
Roger

I take it that you also believe that the man accused of rape should not have his name revealed either, just to be fair?

MommaBear
MommaBear

No Roger, I don't think its fair his name was dragged through the mud. But he made it through the storm and it appears he has a lot of support, including mine. In my mind its possible she was heavily influenced by people with an agenda; the unprofessional detective, the counselor, the DA. I would fear for her safety at this point and would prefer to let it die while they can get on with their young lives. Sorry you disagree, but we're all entitled to our thoughts. Goodnight.

Longhorn Fan
Longhorn Fan

I guess I am just too old fashioned, but what did the female expect. They went INTO THE BEDROOM (probably closed the door), got ON THE BED, started horsing around. I'm sorry, but I feel the female was just looking for trouble-- or maybe she is so innocent she doesn't know anything about men. She learned the hard way-- wonder if that lesson will engrave itself on her mind. You don't say NO after you have been saying YES. I hope that he is big enough to let this pass-- and I hope that she is big enough to stay out of her bedroom unless she really wants to go through with it.

Peanut
Peanut

Oh. I get it. So a woman only has limited control over her body? "You can't say no after you've been saying 'yes'"????? Uh, news flash: you have a rapist mentality. A woman can say no at anytime and any man that continues after that is a rapist.

Longhorn Fan
Longhorn Fan

Peanut, it just so happens I am a female. If "no" means "no" then wouldn't "yes" mean "yes".. A man isn't like a car-- if you start to steer a car into a building you can change its course. A man's emotions don't work that way-- guess a woman is supposed to be able to change her mind and the man is supposed to throw his emotions to the wind.. Hope you never take a guy into a bedroom and then change your mind after he gets well aroused. I have never been raped-- the only man I have ever allowed into my bed was my husband and I never teased him. Of course, we weren't kids.

MT_Mama
MT_Mama

Wow, so you think that men are incapable of controlling their emotions and actions? How very, very sad for you. You must know some real animals. The men I'm well-acquainted with (husband, sons, etc.) are intelligent and certainly capable of controlling themselves. People like you perpetuate stereotypes of blaming the victim in sexual assault.

Rubygirl
Rubygirl

Ilonghorn,
If one a woman says no at any time then a gentleman needs to stop. Even if she changes her mind two minutes later. Be a man and walk away. Wait until your relationship is ready for sex and both of you have no doubts. If you continue then it is rape. Also, in an apartment shared like hers was if she wants privacy with guests she would take them to her room. Having a guy in her room does not mean she is giving the green light to sex. Making out, taking your shirt off does not mean that sex is a for sure. Yes, it would be wiser not to take a guy to your room or get hot and heavy with him. Remember folks, a woman and man should stop at any time their partner says no. No is no. I don't know what really happened that night, but I trust that the jury looked at the facts and the evidence and had to do the best they could.

I admit that neither of the parties involved exercised good judgement and we will never know what really happened. I hope he has learned a lesson about how to treat women such as- no casual sex, sex only in a committed relationship, don't drink and then go out on a date, always use a condom- always!

If she was lying I hope she gets help and if she did say no and was raped I also hope she can get help to get on with her life.

I see the only good thing that has come out of this trial is that we in Montana have been able to express our opinion and made to think about some really difficult issues. All of us who are parents need to teach our kids long before they go to college about sexual ethics. If my son did the things that Johnson admitted doing that night I would be very sad and disappointed. Yes, I would be relieved that he would not spend years in jail, but I would still question his character- and still love him unconditionally.

I had a neighbor years ago who each month went on a trip to Deerlodge. I asked her why she went to Deerlodge and she told me that she visited her son in prison. She proceeded to tell me that he was there because he raped many women and that though she was upset about what he did she still loved him and visited him each month. I am glad for Johnson's family that they did. It have to visit their son in prison and I hope no matter what that the girl gets help.

CodyFromCowboyCountry
CodyFromCowboyCountry

Longhorn Fan,
Unless the men you speak of have their brain located in their pants, frontal lobes trump genitals. Every time.

casinebdwp
casinebdwp

seriously?

jacksommersby88
jacksommersby88

Sorry -- but if even if a woman is buck naked lying on a waterbed, no still means no.

Roger
Roger

But Johnson says that she didn't say "no". So who do you believe?

suzanne1717
suzanne1717

I'm new here, and haven't been following this case from the beginning. I do have some general questions about people's perception of this issue. I'm wondering if people more local to this case might clear them up.

I saw this story my MSN homepage today and wondered what it was all about. So, I have no opinion on the guilt or innocence of this person or the fairness of the verdict in this particular case. Usually I'm more interested in the comments posted after stories like this than I am the stories themselves. Having read some other stories related to this case and the comments afterwards, I'm finding a pattern emerging and I'm wondering what's up with it.

The pattern is that people seem to think a rape victim must act a certain way in order to have been raped. This seems like a generic statement made about women, not about the case, which is why it bothers me. I read that the woman texted she "thought" she'd been raped (with a smiley face?), that she drove him home afterwards, and that she did not cry out to her male roommates for help. Also, there seems to be a lot of talk about a witch hunt for athletes going on.

My concern is this. I grew up in a small country town. A friend of mine told me that the QB of the football team forced her face down on her bed and raped her. Her elderly grandparents were in the house at the time, and she could have cried out for their help. She said she didn't want them to see her like that. She never told anyone else, or filed a complaint, or pressed charges. (His father was the only police detective in town.)

Prior to her telling me that she'd been raped, they'd told people they had slept together but that it had been a mistake, basically. My friend went along with his story in public, never accusing him of rape. She even encouraged me to date him. She said it would be fun and that we could double date. Her boyfriend was the QB's best friend. It wasn't until I actually started dating him that she told me he'd raped her. She was my friend, but I didn't really believe her. I felt sad for her because I thought she was feeling embarrassed about being made out to be loose and a cheater. I also didn't understand her behavior of going along with his story, not yelling for help, and encouraging me to go out with him. But, just so as not to have any misunderstanding, I told the QB I did not want to have sex until I was married. I was alright with fooling around (I was a teenager, realistically), but I was nowhere near thinking about having sex.

One afternoon, he came to my house while my parents were not home. We were fooling around. He told me to lie on my stomach. I thought I was going to get a backrub or more kissing or whatever. Needless to say, that is not what I got. I was so shocked that I did not say anything at all, least of all "no." He got up and went to football practice afterwards. I must have been on the floor the whole time, because I was still there when he came back. And he said, "Uh oh. Already? Usually this takes longer to happen." I think he was referring to my demeanor, but I can't be sure. At which point he started talking about how special I was and how much he wanted me to be his girlfriend. I don't remember much of the conversation, but I know I told him I didn't want to be his girlfriend. He seemed pretty freaked out. He told me to take his class ring and please just consider it. The next day my family went to a wedding out of town for the weekend. I cried on and off for three days and stared out the car window a lot, telling my parents I was sick. When we got back, I agreed to be the QB's girlfriend. I never told anyone what happened.

I think people's expectation that women will stand up for themselves, cry for help, do seemingly normal things after such an abnormal experience is unrealistic. Now, I have no idea what happened in this particular case. But people seem to be making general judgments on how rapists and rape victims act. My friend said she wasn't really sure he'd raped her. I wasn't sure I'd been raped, after all, I didn't say anything while it was happening. And I never accused him of it. I became his girlfriend so that I wouldn't, in my own mind, have actually been raped.

I think what finally cinched it for me was when he said my friend had only been accepted to a Big 10 university (while his brother hadn't) was because she was a "dirty Sp*c."

I find the hatred being directed at this girl to be disturbing. Maybe he did it and maybe he didn't, but why the hatred? How can you be so sure?


Tracker
Tracker

TMI

Peanut
Peanut

I'm sorry that happened to you. Thanks for sharing here for other victims to read. This thread is pretty hateful towards rape victims. Pretty sad.

You must be high
You must be high

No one is hateful towards rape victims. There simply was not a rape victim in this case.

Rubygirl
Rubygirl

Keep in mind that no one knows what happened that night. there was not enough proof to convict Johnson. But, remember that OJ Simpson was also found innocent and he later was found guilty in a civil trial. Johnson made some major mistakes that night and I hope that he has learned some lessons and I hope that the girl gets help no matter the truth.

Roger
Roger

What rape victims is this thread hateful towards? Certainly not the accuser, since the accused was found not guilty - thus the accuser is not a victim. Women frequently make false rape accusations, yet people are supposed to believe every one of them? I don't think so.

Rubygirl
Rubygirl

Roger, before the verdict you and others were very hateful toward the accuser. Yes, her testimony had many inconsistencies, but even before the verdict and in fact ever since the trial began there have been many ugly postings. I admit I am disgusted by Johnson's behavior that night and I have stated that in postings and as the trial has gone on my feelings have gone from completely supporting her to thinking that no one will ever know for sure what happened that night.

I am worried that future women who are raped in Missoula will hesitate to report it because of this trial. I personally did not report being raped while I was in college in 1985 because I knew the guy and even had a crush on him and drank nickel beers with him at a bar. He gave me a ride home to my apartment and I went to bed. He broke into my apartment later that night and brutally raped me and almost killed me. He left without saying a word after breaking my nose by holding me down with his arms over my face and throat. I woke up choking on my own blood and my windpipe crushed. He left when he was done (though he never came) and no, I was not able to say no.

I went into my bathroom and looked at myself covered in blood and thought of how there was a very public rape trial the year before in Havre where a woman worked in a bar and after closing time had sex on the pool table with her boyfriend afterwards she walked home and was raped by a guy who watched the pool table encounter from a window. The story was very scandalous. I knew that my whole life and past would be in the spotlight and I was about to start student teaching in a few weeks. I decided not to call the police. I took a shower and went to my classes and refused to tell anyone why I was bruised, scratched and had bruises on my face and throat and I could barely speak.

I regret not calling the police. I regret and feel guilt that he probably raped other women. I went to many years of counseling. I know that I did not ask to be raped. I know that drinking with him and having a crush on him did not give him permission to rape me.

WishingWell
WishingWell

Thank you, Surzanne, for your very enlightening example of how these situations can evolve. I really appreciate your courage and the details that you list about your rape and your friend's rape show how complicated and multilayered the issues around growing up in a rape culture can be.

RoxxySan
RoxxySan

What part of that story sounds like rape to you?

If you didn't even say no, then you can hardly claim to have been raped. I think the reason she didn't act like a rape victim is because she wasn't a rape victim. If someone truly raped you, then you would not decide to be their girlfriend. No matter how confused you claim to be.

bigskylaw
bigskylaw

What is a "rape culture?" Are you suggesting that a "rape culture" exists in Missoula?

PK67
PK67

Rape culture exists in the world, of which we are a part.

RoxxySan
RoxxySan

No one expects a rape victim to react perfectly, but we expect a rape victim to act like a rape victim.

The reason you and your friend acted so strangely is because neither of you were clearly raped. You admit that you let him do it, and never said no. If it was unambiguously rape, you would know it immediately. If it's an unclear of ambiguous situation, as your's was, then you would expect some confusion after the fact.

You shouldn't feel like a rape victim, because you aren't.

griznationbaby
griznationbaby

This will be my last post regarding this trial, then back to reality. Interesting perspective, and I guess you're right, we can easily sort of stereotype what rapists are like and how rape victims are supposed to act, but in reality you can't really say how you would act if you were getting raped. It's like saying you would know exactly what you would do if someone had a gun to your head and tried to shoot you, or something suddenly happened where your life was in danger. I for one have faith that Justice has been fair with this trial, as I followed this trial from start to finish and support the verdict. I admit I supported Jordan from the beginning, and was biased. However, given all the evidence and testimonies from this entire trial I would project there is a higher probability that he did not rape her than the contrary. I believe if she truly did not want the sex in the first place, Jordy never knew, and based on her body language and reactions to his actions was never fully communicated that side of her apparent resistance. Therefore this was most likely not a rape situation, but a couple of young, horny college students who ended up hooking up unexpectedly (letting their mammal instincts take over mutually) but maybe not mentally mutually (she seemed to have issues with the outcome(s) of their experiences together).
My interpretative opinion of the alleged victim based on her behavior is that she has mental instability with regards to her sexuality, and in her own mind might feel as if she was raped, perhaps she regretted the intercourse after the fact and wished she had said no or maybe in her mind said no, and believed she verbally said no when it happened when in fact she never did. All in all I just hope that Doe and Jordy are able to recover from whatever anguish they have gone through from all of this. That is all.

Pistol
Pistol

Jordan the liberals in Missoula will not allow this to go away. My bet is if you choose to stay at the U and play football there will signs around the stadium. Example Griz rapist quarterback or Thus team, etc. Go some where like Weber State. Coach Pflugrad lost his job defending you. Before you leave file suit against the U, President Engstrom, that woman's group who ever. Good luck in your life. I can't imagine the stress you and your family suffered. See in the stadium this November 16th.

jacksommersby88
jacksommersby88

Better "liberals in Missoula" than the pro-rape Republican politicians we saw last election cycle who got themselves booted out of office over their women-are-inferior-human-beings sexism.

msladon
msladon

jack, this has become only about attention for you. your argumaents hold water like a sieve.

mtndrums
mtndrums

The sad part is, yours and Pistol's hold even less water.

mtndrums
mtndrums

Ah, yes, the typical "blame the liberals" babble we hear from the Party of Responsibility, yet they have managed to take ZERO responsibility for anything they've done wrong since the Carter administration. No wonder why Utah is so backwards on almost everything. At this point, the only people who are against Jordan outside of a couple of people bitter about losing this trial are pretty much people who don't go to football games to begin with. The girl continually shot her claims in the foot on the stand, and the more the facts came out, the more people realized this wasn't a charge worth pursuing. Enjoy watching another rout of your kitties.

Human Rights
Human Rights

OK this sham of a trial is finished. Now it's time to put the president of the University on trial for being stupid, and the Missoula "justice" system on trial for wasting the taxpayer's money. I hope Johnson goes to the Canadian football leauge and becomes the best quarterback they ever had.

dsrobins
dsrobins

This verdict is another glaring example of Montana's defective and racist justice system. If you will take the time to research your memory, you will recall the picture of Johnson with a blonde haircut sitting arrogantly at his indictment hearing. Fortunately, for him his family has lots of money so they hired that fat, rude and bullying defense attorney. Well, for them, the money was well spent. Did you notice the change in Johnson's persona since the trial began? Suddenly, his hair was black and no longer a crewcut. They made him up to be an innocent little pretty boy who looked like a high schooler. They coached him carefully in how to lie, and how to appear attractive to the press. Near the end of the trial, they showed up tearing up, wiping his eyes with carefully pre-arranged Kleenex and then even wiping his nose. Poor little boy. Well, it worked. He is acquitted, but, make no mistake, he will do it again because now he knows he can get away with it. Does anyone still care about the girl whose life he ruined? Probably not.

Bittersweet
Bittersweet

You are warped. With the excessive prosecution team, tons of our money spent, a huge jury pool and 12 jurors deciding on a "not guilty" verdict almost instantly. (possibly even before the end of testimony) you call Montanas justice system racist? Against who? Men? Women? Children? Dogs?

huckleberryhaven
huckleberryhaven

And the same comparisons can be made toward the woman who falsely accused Johnson of a horrific act... oh wait, you can't make that comparison because her identity was hidden the last year... the last YEAR. People change in a matter of months let alone a year, to sit and analyze Johnsons hair color and haircut is really stretching it. The justice system worked but just not in the favor YOU wanted. The jurors heard the evidence, or lack thereof. and they came up wiith the verdict. Move on.

You must be high
You must be high

You sound like you get all of your "knowledge" of this case from the Missoulian.
Lots of money?? His father is a school teacher.
The truth prevailed here. Jordan was not the one who was telling lies.
And in case you hadn't noticed, the press didn't do him ANY favors, in their reporting of this case. Quite the opposite.

Justice was served. Jordan was falsely accused and the jury figured that out.

Roger
Roger

You're full of it, DS - or is it BS

Nostradamus
Nostradamus

Justice. Good reporting by Florio. Phony case.

You must be high
You must be high

Nostradamus, ... Had you been in that courtroom, payed attention, and later read the what the Missoulian reported, you would not say "Good reporting by Florio".

eazey1
eazey1

The only two that know's what really happened are Jordan and his accuser. I feel that justice has prevailed and now that there lives are changed forever I think that counciling for both of them would help them get on with there lives.

Montana Chic
Montana Chic

Wahoooo, NOT GUILTY! That is the correct verdict, glad the jurors seen it that way! Jordan can now move on with life and put this drama behind him. Now it's time to put the so called alledged victim drama queen on a bill board in Missoula Mt showing her name and face, so everyone can see just who the false accuser is! Anybody that actually thinks she's a rape victim after her part in what she did, (climbed on top, took shirt off, gyrated, got a snack after, and drove him home) is crazy! What girl, that was actually raped, would give the rapist a ride home, and for her running in and crying to the assistant dean when she seen Jordan on campus, yet she was not upset wearing the same clothes for months on end. Something's not right with that! For the prosection with no evidence of proof, Bahahahaha on all you! What a waste of time and money! Good Job to the defense attorney's!

Helen mo
Helen mo

Larry, if you really think that you are an idiot!!! Jordan was found "not guilty"- does not mean that a crime wasn't committed- doesn't mean the victim wasn't traumatized, means the burden of proof wasn't there to convict- once again, only 2 people know what happened that night (unless you were there in the closet?)- its not just JJ's life that's changed forever- I feel bad for ALL involved- to send out a lynch mob for this girl is sick!!!!!

Montana Chic
Montana Chic

No Helen, Your an idiot, There was no evidence to prove he raped her Sorry! The Victim taumatized, REALLY? Looks to me like Jordan was tramatized. The so called alledged victim, is the one that initiated it all! If you don't want sex, then don't climb on a man, kiss, and gyrate, drive him home then say rape! The chic is tacky! End of Story!

mommamatt
mommamatt

Both families will suffer forever unfortunately...

casinebdwp
casinebdwp

Helen you are certainly a voice of reason. No one REALLY know except the two involved. Jordan Johnson was found not guilt of rape because the prosecution did not meet the burden of proof. The burden of proof in cases like these is beyond a reasonable doubt.

Roger
Roger

But why can't her name be released? The man she accused had his name plastered all over the news, while she remains anonymous. Perhaps you're the one who's sick.

Justice floral
Justice floral

Why do you still refer to her as a victim. It was proven by a jury she was not. Do you consider JJ to be a victim? You wouldn't dare write that. You say not guilty does not mean a crime wasn't committed. Do you also believe if the verdict was guilty that there may not have been a crime committed. I doubt it. This is just your way pathetic way of dealing with the truth.

Mazola
Mazola

Justice prevails! it just took forever.

duck79
duck79

Of course the University of Montana is culpable in this criminal case Alan. From the school president, Dean of Pharmacy, to the wrongful termination of respected faculty, and the campus nurse who ill advisably prompted the accusing campus student to press ahead with phony charges. While not alone the UofM played a crucial role in this saga. May the UofM be held accountable along with the other entities in civil court!

UMalumnus
UMalumnus

UM had to choice. It was getting pressure from local, state and federal authorities and the media. The real people to blame here are the now dis-proven accuser, the media and irresponsible authorities. UM is a victim in this too. You think it wanted to be unfairly dragged through the mud and those of us who have called it home along with it?

slmissoula
slmissoula

This was a complete waste of tax payer money. The UM, the police and DA need to be held accountable for this political fiasco. The UM needs to clean house at SARC (Student Assault Resource Center), they are clearly not qualified to assist students of sexual assault. Additionally, those coaches should sue for wrongful termination!

Larry Lewis
Larry Lewis

Now that the alleged victim is no longer a victim, maybe her name should be released now like Johnson's was.

duck79
duck79

Yes when the defendant files a civil suit perhaps Gwen Florio will be first to in line at the courthouse reporting for the Missoulian!

Bittersweet
Bittersweet

I do not think the accusers name should be revealed. Although it is my personal opinion that Jordan did not commit the crime he was charged with we will never be certain of what went on in her bedroom that night. The state was not able to prove a crime was commited. Again.....my opinion, of course many wanted to support her. How could you not? Unfortunately reports by this newspaper could likely have added fuel to, or even started a fire that could not be stopped. It's only fair to direct just as much (or more) of your anger at Lee Enterprises for allowing such biased articles to be published. Making subtle "suggestions"....omiting important facts while emphasizing others. Check out news reports from around the world (literally) from the last few weeks and you will see the difference in professional reporting.

msladon
msladon

I think Gwen's editor is the one to fault the most,,,,, isn't Sherry the one who approves Gwen's articles? I criticized a time frame of one of Gwen's articles and Sherry was the first to jump on me for criticizing. Many of the posters in here saw that and commented on Sherry's bias. If anymone needs to lose a job it's the editor of the Missoulian.

dsrobins
dsrobins

Truly disgusting comment. You must enjoy being cruel.

Aberdeen
Aberdeen

Wrong answer - let's work t oget beyond this without ruining any more lives!

Montana Chic
Montana Chic

Absoulutely, her face and name should be put on a bill board in Missoula Mt!

Roger
Roger

Exactly - in fact, here name should have been revealed at the same time the person she accused name was revealed.

Rubygirl
Rubygirl

Roger,

I don't know what women have done to you, but you must see the error in your comments. Were you the head of a lynch mob in a former life? If the accusers of sexual assaults were not anonymous then very few would press charges. Because of the nature of sexual assaults victims already feel shame, guilt and self contempt. It takes a lot of work to get over those feelings. The comments from this trial only reinforce the need to continue to keep the victim anonymous.

mommamatt
mommamatt

Our judicial system has got to do something with how we deal with alleged rape cases and how some of the alleged victims are able to ruin so many lives and are not held accountable for what they are allowed to do. As a mother of 5 children, 2 boys, 3 girls I know both sides. Number one ladies DO NOT TAKE A MAN HOME WITH YOU GET UNDRESSED AND CHANGE YOUR MIND AFTER YOU HAVE SEX.....if you are not certain about your idea of having sex or not then for Gods sake do not put yourself in that position, because when you do and change your mind you ruin alot of peoples lives and once a person is charged he is guilty until proven innocent.....I know for a fact....we went thru a similar situation that was devastating to our family and cost us thousands and thousands of dollars....we too were repeatedly shot down by the judge in any motions; we too had to deal with mental issues but were not able to bring that into court for our defense; we too were drug thru the dirt in the small town newspaper therefore never allowing us a fair trial.....our system has got to put a stop to these maybe rapes, no girls it is not a dream and no you were not in a dream like state......and please no one take this as I do not believe rape happens because I do know people who have been raped........

montanamuralist
montanamuralist

totally agree...I feel badly cause it might have happened but appears she had regret...you notice as soon as she takes Johnson home she runs over to another guys house( her friend) and gets in his bed...don't these people have living rooms and chairs...oh and do they actually talk rather than text?? Whole thing sounded strange to me...just have an alleged rape by someone you know and so you go crawl in bed with some other guy to tell him your troubles. This was not hard to see but just wanted to tell you I agree and would have been thinking your thoughts here if I had been on the jury...

montanamuralist
montanamuralist

I doubt if you see Johnson back here playing ball. He has alot of close friends but one of them on the team actually testified against him. After he regroups I can see a callto his friend Robin Phlugrad at Weber State or maybe a Pac 10 school as he has a couple years of eligibility and a year that he has sat out since last playing. ...after all the kangaroo court at UM expelled him...of course they keep those proceeding private so they are not accountable for stupid decisions made outside the law...Close calls like this should not be prosecuted and Townsend, who is an ex[experienced prosecutor and obviously knew what a clunker this case was, gave them every break she could. She should be voted out of office next election. I thought she would be fair but she clearly was on the side of the prosecution. The one thing we never got to hear about was the alleged victims past encounters with men and past emotional issues cause Townsend killed that. Obviously did not need it for an acquittal but sheesh....sad for both families and the victim as well but she got sucked in to the "victim" machine at the U...the lesson here??? If you are attacked try to get away and if you can not call it in right away to law enforcement...oh and the other lesson is just because a woman says she was attacked ..does not make it so..emotion and regret are just as much a cause of trauma as sexual assault by a friend and I have seen that many times...Glad Jordan can get on with his life.

Larry Lewis
Larry Lewis

From the get-go this case was pushed by a liberal feminist agenda. The First Step councilor got the alleged victim feeling all "victimy" and the rest of the ''Ol Girl Network got things ginned up even more. A true travesty. Why do you think Fred Van Valkenberg didn't want his name on this thing. He knew it was a clunker from the start. But someone needed to bleed for this and why not the face of the UM Football program? Waste of time, money, et. al.

jacksommersby88
jacksommersby88

A "liberal feminist agenda." How original. And if the alleged victim didn't already feel "victimy" (great grammar) then why did she go see the First Step counselor? For advice on what numbers to play in the lottery?

You must be high
You must be high

Jack ... I really wish you had been in that courtroom.
It is quite obvious what was happening.
She was pushed into going to trial by at least four women with an agenda.
I understand that the Missoulian doesn't report these things, but their "reporter" convicted Jordan long ago. Sad part is you believe her, without knowing all the facts.

Willie
Willie

Well put Larry. It's the same ol' song and dance of leftist Missoula. They like coming down on a football player but will let a Police Sgt. like Jason "Daniel" Huntsinger aka: ol' Busy Hands Himself, off for looking at child porn. What's worse is he acquires himself a store downtown, Adventure Source, which would give him access to children. But you do not hear anyone screaming here and in fact, this paper does a glorified free commercial for the guy. Go figure.

mslanativejojo
mslanativejojo

Well young women....guess you can't ask for help when you've been raped in this town. Wonder if the verdict would have been different if he wasn't a GRIZ football player. I am saddened that this is the message we are sending to young women who seek help.

huckleberryhaven
huckleberryhaven

"IF" is the key word. IF a woman was indeed raped, then yes, she should definitely seek help in filing appropriate charges.

slmissoula
slmissoula

It would of been different if she did not kiss him, take off her shirt, and touch his crotch... oh and who in their right mind drives their rapist home? That girl is a nut case.

Rubygirl
Rubygirl

A woman can say no and it means no. Even if she makes out with him, touches him, takes her shirt off etc. she can still say no. Yes, Seinfield said it is sex when the nipple comes out- but I woman can still say no. A guy needs to walk away if a woman hesitates, says no then yes etc. If a guy keeps going then it is rape. Guys, walk away is she is wishy washy. Wait until your relationship is stronger. If she is drunk, stoned or asleep she cannot give consent. Always use a condom. Parents need to teach sexual ethics to their kids long before they go to college.

Missoula Mom
Missoula Mom

Oh, come on now...of course you can and women know that. You cannot however lie, and if you get caught in repeated lies you're not going to be believed. ActuallyI feel this young man was treated much harshed because he was a GRIZZLY football player. Rape is a horrible thing, and I cannot begin to imagine, but there are false allegations and in this case a jury found Mr. Johnson not guilty, in two hours. Respect the verdict.

msladon
msladon

a verdict was reached on the credibility of witnesses and the evidence provided. i watched this trial only through twitter feeds but, the outcome was obvious. the state did not prove their case. this isn't a statement about the safety of young women in this community, you are very naive and uninformed to assume such.

Bittersweet
Bittersweet

No the verdict would not have been different. The prosecution had a weak case. About the only "special treatment" this Griz player received was getting his world shattered around him. If he was not a Griz football player chastized in the grossly biased local newspaper, had the NCAA and the DOJ not been looking over Freds shoulder I have my doubts if charges even would have been filed. If you want to feel sad about the message we are sending young women seeking help you may want to consider that any young women that make false allegations are hurting the women that truly have been violated.

bitterooter 2013
bitterooter 2013

If this guy had never accepted her invite, had decided not to cheat on his girlfriend, then none of this would have ever happened. I hope that ALL people reading these posts and coverage of this trial thinks of the bigger picture. Never, ever, think that cheating, lying, or decieving others won't come back to haunt you. Also, if you don't want to give a guy the clear impression you want him alone with you...THEN DON'T INVITE HIM TO BE ALONE WITH YOU. Particularly when he's drunk! Stupid is as stupid does, and hopefully cheaters will eventually learn not to mess around. High profile men repeatedly make the dumb mistake that their floozy partners will shut up and keep their dirty little secrets. Never happens, not to Clinton, Tiger Woods, or other public figures. I hope this boy and his friends have learned from his extremely poor lack of choices, and that girls avoid being equally stupid by setting a bad scene for them to be left alone with a guy they don't even know very well, let alone knowing he's drunk.

msladon
msladon

he wasn't drunk genius, that's in the court testimony from both sides.

You must be high
You must be high

Bitterooter, ... You must be reading the Missoulian for your "facts".
First, he did not have a girlfriend.
Second, without a girlfriend, he couldn't "cheat". Incase you didn't know that.
Third, he was NOT drunk. Even the accused testified to that.
Fourth, They may have been "alone" but, her male roommate was only a few feet away.
Next, I will agree with your statement "Never, ever, think that cheating, lying, or decieving others won't come back to haunt you." ... But you should apply that to the accuser here.
You can't just make this stuff up. Please quit trying.

JMontana
JMontana

Not drunk, did not have a girlfriend. Both are verified in testimony. Please know what you're talking about before you post.

Justice floral
Justice floral

The message is this... If you're a liar... You lose! If you tell the truth, you win! Don't you get it?

You must be high
You must be high

mslanativejojo, ... If Jordan had not been a football player, this would have never been brought to trial. Simple as that.
I am also saddened by the message being sent to young women. But the blame for that message belongs on the prosecution and the frivolous accusations.

Roger
Roger

The woman was not raped. The message to women is, "don't make false accusations".

JMontana
JMontana

"you must be high" nails this on the head. If this were not a GRIZ football player, this case would have been thrown out 10 months ago, and you wouldn't know anything about it in the newspaper, end of story. Jordan was lucky enough to get some of that "preferential" treatment because of his community status. You can ask Beau Donaldson what kind of verdict a GRIZ player gets when they are guilty of a crime, that's right, a much WORSE sentence than a typical community offender. Can the good ol' boy argument, those days are, and have been long gone for years and years.

Bogwater
Bogwater

A sensible and just verdict. The prosecution"s case was flawed from its inception.

pelican
pelican

Gwen Florio biased until, and after, the end. The jury, who actually LISTENED to facts, acquitted and threw a wrench into Florio's year long foregone conclusion.

The jury also sent a powerful message to the community in choosing the lone young woman on the panel as their foreperson - we ALL want to curb sexual assault by ANYONE in the community, but each case is measured by its own merits, and Jordan Johnson was always innocent of these charges.

Camjack
Camjack

Thank goodness the jury got it right. Hopefully the 2 men fired by "PC" Engstrom will be free to speak about how this case affected their dismissal. Kudos to all who commented on these stories. I learned far more from these comments than I did from the Missoulian writer, whose bias was obvious. If Jordan wants to play football again, I hope this sorry episode doesn't cost him a year of eligability. The prosecution and Judge townsend must be disappointed tonight. As voters, I hope we deal with the judge when she comes up for election. I have voted for Fred in the past, but will vote against him if I get a chance. Does anyone feel as I do about the ineptness of the Missoula PD ? Or are they just another wing of the Missoula political establishment ?

You must be high
You must be high

Yes, you are not alone.

Fawzhuh
Fawzhuh

No, I do not feel as you do. You attribute far too much influence to the MPD’s role in this process. A crime was reported, they investigated and provided the results to the County Attorney. The COUNTY ATTORNEY determined the evidence collected warranted an arrest, which was affected by the MPD, as is their duty. With the exception of defense counsel it appears to me they are among the few who did their job! I can well imagine your indignation and cries of “foul” if a young were to report a rape and the MPD decided her accusations didn’t require an investigation because “her story wasn’t good enough”. The MPD is an investigative and enforcement tool for the COUNTY ATTORNEY. I feel your anger and frustration are valid but your “target selection” is askew.

You must be high
You must be high

Fawzhuh, ... Maybe you haven't been paying attention either. The lead detective, failed to do a proper investigation, relying on the attorneys to do it for her. She testified that many text messages needed further investigation, and clarification, yet deferred that to the lawyers interview of the accuser. But brought charges long before that interview ever happened.
And you think they did their job?? Really?

Fawzhuh
Fawzhuh

Yes, really! First of all, I was responding to a comment about the entire police department, not an individual officer. Secondly, I say again, she didn’t “bring any charges” the COUNTY ATTORNEY is responsible for that task. If the County Attorney felt the evidence bore no further investigation then essentially her hands were tied. Did you get the impression the detective wanted to develop the evidence further to “fry” the defendant, or is it possible that she wanted to investigate further to provide as much information as possible for the jury to facilitate their decision? You are correct in your assumption that I haven’t followed this case “blow-by-blow” but then it wasn’t really necessary to understand simple procedure. If you feel the detective was negligent in the application of her duties, then you have a right, no, a DUTY as a citizen to lodge a formal complaint and follow it through to a conclusion. If it means anything for the informal polling of your little “supplemental jury in the court of public opinion” I never felt Johnson was guilty based on the information available and the jury did a fine job. He appears to be a young man of good character and moral courage but he would do well, as would the rest of us, to remember that reasonable doubt does not equate to certainty.

msladon
msladon

ok faw, maybe you know a bit more about the judicial process than i but, if the MPD is responsible for collecting the evidence why did they wait until months after this happened to get the clothes she wore, why did she continue to wear those clothes? did they even collect the blanket with sex stains on it?

Fawzhuh
Fawzhuh

First, I must apologize for any seeming condescension on my part. You are certainly more “invested “in this case than I am. My “knowledge” is derived from my involvement in the trial of the young man who killed my daughter while driving impaired two years ago last month. As a matter of fact my screen name is a tribute to her memory. It was a term of endearment she used in reference to me and comes from a popular comedy film. It is my phonetic interpretation of a Dutch character’s pronunciation of “Father”. There are elements of that case that still have not been adequately explained to my satisfaction, and may never be. Second, I am sorry that I am unable to answer your questions. My suspicion is that the reporting process and protocols and procedural issues are at fault. One does not NORMALLY rise to the level of detective in a law enforcement organization by lottery or a leg wrestling competition. And therein lies my issue. There is an increasingly prevalent public attitude that law enforcement is “incompent” or invested of more authority than they ought have. That attitude is becoming more and more common among folks who are for the most part law-abiding and civic-minded. “I can’t be troubled by every regulation because I am busy and they only really apply to criminals.” “I am certainly more qualified to determine if I am too impaired to drive than some flunky working for the city/county/HP.” Know anyone who has voiced anything similar? It is these people that make an officer’s job more difficult because it removes support they desperately need and may cause them to question their dedication to their chosen profession. You DO have right as a citizen to seek those answers and I would urge you to do so if you feel that strongly. Good luck and thank you.

jacksommersby88
jacksommersby88

I just had an interesting exchange with someone who believed Johnson is innocent -- I asked him how he'd feel if Johnson wanted to date his college-age daughter. His lengthy pause before walking off spoke volumes, believe me. And for all you saying Johnson should sue -- aren't you the same ones who are supposedly against lawsuits? That's okay -- I guess ya'll feel the same way about Casey Anthony who had a flimsy case against her, right? Yeah, that's what I thought.

msladon
msladon

the casey anthony remark Jack,,, get yourself some help, you have issues.

huckleberryhaven
huckleberryhaven

Why shouldn't Johnson sue? It is ok for his name to be smeared in the mud with the likes of you, but yet, the 'alleged' victim has a right to privacy? Her name should be made public now since she is no longer the 'alledged victim'. The justice system spoke volumes today... it just happens to be NOT what you, jack, wanted to hear.

jacksommersby88
jacksommersby88

huckle,

I didn't write that he shouldn't sue: I simply pointed out the hypocrisy of those who purport to despise lawsuits yet do a complete 180 -- which is what we're seeing here.

msladon,

Actually, the "issue" I put forth is this -- if a Not Guilty verdict is definite and shouldn't be questioned, as we're seeing in the posts here, then why did I read so many angry posts when the non-male/non-star-football-player Anthony got a Not Guilty verdict?

Justice floral
Justice floral

What the #%€£ does that have to do with this case? It was a unanimous decision. Why can't you deal with it?

JMontana
JMontana

Jack - you're missing a whole boat load here, but I'll help you the little that I can. First of all (has absolutely nothing to do with anything here) Casey Anthony was guilty, this was obvious. Jordan Johnson was NOT guilty, also completely obvious. So yes, when a murderer gets let off the hook, it is enraging, and it is a good day when a good kid who is innocent, does not get convicted of a crime he didn't commit. Has nothing to do with gender, status, race, etc., just simple facts. Jordan could sue because he has a good case, he was wrongfully charged with a crime he did not commit that slandered and defamed him for no reason. She should not have brought on a lawsuit because she was not raped. Again, simple FACTS. Although he probably should sue, I bet Johnson won't because of the quality of the kid. He isn't out to hurt anybody, and just wants to move on with his life, but he has every right now to go after whomever he chooses. You're right I guess, I don't like bad people and liars getting away with things, yet I will pull an immediate 180 and like when good people are treated fairly.

bigskylaw
bigskylaw

I doubt there's much of a lawsuit brewing here. My guess is that you would probably be chasing an empty wagon, IF you won a verdict for defamation.

Roger
Roger

Gee Jack, it must really irritate you that Johnson was found not guilty, but that's what happened, so deal with it.

Rubygirl
Rubygirl

Roger,

Johnson was found no guilty, but no one will ever know what really happened. I hope the verdict was correct, but no one knows. Johnson mad some really poor decisions that night. He is not worth of honor.

Justice floral
Justice floral

The only reason he walked away, because you are not worth his time. If you choose to ignore the facts and a unanimous decision, do you think anything he has to say will make a difference in your mind.

You must be high
You must be high

Justice, ... I also agree with you.
Jack, ... Most certainly, I would let Jordan date my daughter.
I would GLADLY welcome him into my family.
Now, you, on the other hand, ...

whitehairedguy
whitehairedguy

Your comments are so continually inane that it amazes me. This one takes the cake...you, of all the people, just happened to be talking to a guy who walked off when you asked if he would want Johnson dating his daughter. I wonder why I believe that statement to be as bogus as a three dollar bill.

You must be high
You must be high

You're right. I concur.

lisa22
lisa22

Nice job jury, you did the right thing!! That girl is a nut case and she is in dire need of psychiatric help. Now, if I were the Johnson family I would file a civil suit against that girl for defamation of character, pain and suffering for not only Jordan but the entire Johnson family... the list goes on.
Jordan, I wish you the best in your future and hope you can put this whole mess and nightmare behind you as quickly as possible. :)

timsurfs
timsurfs

What, no mention of the gang rape?

Way to insert Beau Donaldson into a story about JJ's acquittal. Unreal.

Justice floral
Justice floral

Unbelievable. That's what I thought.

JMontana
JMontana

Completely rediculous, petty reporting. "Jordan Johnson not guilty" which fits right into how former GRIZ Nate Montana got misdemeanor suspicion of drunken driving (which was later dropped) 3 years ago.... Now it's all coming together, well done Gwen!

J555-5
J555-5

Fred Van V had it right all along. There was no case.

You must be high
You must be high

Really??? He stated that he thought they'd "win" this case. He was behind it 100%.

Bass Whacker
Bass Whacker

Oh Gwen, really? You couldn't just report the verdict. Had to reference an unrelated case and criminal sentence. Both unprofessional and sour grapes. What's worse than your horse losing is that you had a horse in this race. Please consider finding another college town in another state where you can take your schtick of trying to bring down male athlectic programs.

jacksommersby88
jacksommersby88

Oh, you mean the same male athletic program that's currently under NCAA investigation?

Bass Whacker
Bass Whacker

So now you convict on news of an investigation, before any allegations or charges are made. Pretty rotten world inside your head, huh?. I guess in your world, any woman can lie to the police claiming you did someting criminal and you'll roll over and plead guilty because why, women don't lie? Just accept the jury got it right. The kid didn't do what the woman said.

jacksommersby88
jacksommersby88

No, I simply pointed out that the male athletic program you worship and accuse Gwen of trying to "bring down" is under NCAA investigation. If there's nothing to the investigation, fine; but don't get upset when someone reminds that there *is* an investigation under way -- you may be entitled to your own opinion but not your own convenient set of facts.

Bass Whacker
Bass Whacker

Everyone can see what you "pointed out". My comment was directed at the infantile motivation. Your the kid who when he gets caught doing something wrong, thinks he can lessen his punishmnet if he accuses someone else of doing something wrong too. LIke this accuser, who fabricated that the Asst Dean and a detective told her Mr. Jordan had done this before, and told that fabrication to family and friends so as to get them on her side. Nobody is on your side here, Jack. Spreading the boundaries of your smears against "the male athletic program" and those that point out your refusal to accept reality won't change that. But keep on doing the same thing hoping you'll get a different result.......

You must be high
You must be high

So Jack, do you suppose the outcome of this trial might have some impact on the NCAA investigation??
I realize it's not the outcome you wanted, but do you think......?

JMontana
JMontana

EVERY college program is looked at by the NCAA. If you want to take the NCAA investigation (which again, has found NOTHING) as a guilty verdict, just as you did with a woman accusing a player of rape (wrong), go for it. The investigation means nothing, they haven't reported anything yet, because there is nothing to report.

derekazule
derekazule

Convincing 12 people "beyond a reasonable doubt " was going to be virtually impossible for a guilty verdict in this case. Griz football fans should be excited....My question is, how much longer will it be before we have another one of our beloved Griz football players in the courtroom? Is it too much to ask of our football program to recruit "decent” human beings and not this trash we have had hanging around here the last several years?

Bittersweet
Bittersweet

I don't think it is essentially "Griz football" fans that are excited. As many said, no one wins here. I think what many people are happy or relieved about is a young man now has the chance to pick up the shattered pieces and attempt to get on with life. Do some good for society, weather it be a Math teacher, a coach or a father.

jacksommersby88
jacksommersby88

Sadly, many feel Johnson is "decent" even though he cheated on his girfriend. I ask the men in this group, if your girlfriend or wife cheated on you, would you still maintain she's "decent"? Yep -- the 'ol sexist double-standard.

huckleberryhaven
huckleberryhaven

Jack, lighten up.... Your posts make me wonder what type of connection you have with the accuser. Hmmm.

jacksommersby88
jacksommersby88

msladon,

Yes, it takes two to cheat -- but the alleged victim didn't cheat on her boyfriend, the defendant cheated on his girlfriend.

Huckle,

I'm just old-fashioned, I guess. Someone who cheats on that significant other is simply not "decent" in my book. I'm not saying it's the crime of the century, but when I read posts declaring Johnson a goody two-shoes and "decent," it's pretty pathetic.

msladon
msladon

it takes two to cheat and from the evidence it does appear the accuser knew the other woman,, why is she excused from your judgement of decency?

Bittersweet
Bittersweet

Cheated on his girlfriend? Please elaborate. I think you must know something we don't?

montanagirl1010
montanagirl1010

@jacksommesrby88: Did you even watch the trial? Jordan clearly stated that the "other girl" was NOT his girlfriend. He liked her, but they were not dating. I would like to believe that if Jordan was dating this other girl; he would not have been hanging out with the "victim". Maybe next time you will get your facts straight.

Montana Chic
Montana Chic

Hello, what part don't you get jack?

According to Jordan, the other chic was NOT his girlfriend! That means there was NOT a committed relationship between the two of them, which means he did NOT cheat! So with that being said, I would say he is "decent" then!

Justice floral
Justice floral

Jack... You're just as mixed up in the head as the plaintiff. Tell yourself some made up "facts" long enough, you're beginning to believe yourself. You're wrong about a girlfriend. There wasn't one... Maybe you had a dream about it 2 weeks prior.

You must be high
You must be high

Jack, ... Did you simply not pay attention??
There was no girlfriend, therefore no cheating as you'd like us to believe.
It seems like you're making this case up as you go along.
You should have been in that courtroom.
If you had been, you couldn't possibly believe what you're saying.

Roger
Roger

Johnson is INNOCENT Jack - that really gravels you, doesn't it. Justice finally prevailed in this case.

JMontana
JMontana

Sadly, after weeks of FACTS coming out, you still don't know a thing Jack... Johnson STILL did not have a girlfriend at the time of the innocent. You should read a single fact about this case before you go spouting off.

Justice floral
Justice floral

Be careful how you make an all in one statement. You don't know jack about most if any of the players. I do, and there are many fine men on the team.

JMontana
JMontana

A bit of a broad statement with little facts to back anything up. How would you suggest UM should have done anything different? A hometown Missoula kid with good grades turned into a rapist, A strong, fast, good student picked a bad night to try drugs, I'm really not sure if recruiting is the issue here... The fact is, colleges recruit KIDS, and kids do dumb things, that have always done dumb things, and will most likely continue to. Every team has their code of conduct, and if this is broken, there are consequences. Another side note, our convicted rapist? Turned down a scholarship offer from the Bobcats.. So this is partially their fault for being so terrible at the time, otherwise it would be MSU that the NCAA would be investigating.

yunfei
yunfei

The quick verdict by the jury shows what a weak case the prosecutors had, despite the best efforts of the Missoulian to convict Johnson. Maybe now they will stop calling it a rape trial, as it clearly was a non-rape trial. Gwen Florio should be fired for her biased reporting. Hopefully, Jordan Johnson will consider returning to the UM football team now that it has been shown that he should not have been dismissed. The president of UM owes a lot of people a deep apology for his overreaction that led to the still unexplained firing of Pflugrad and Day. Johnson is to be congratulated for his integrity in defending his actions on the witness stand. His accuser probably needed counselling before the episode, and should get it now.

You must be high
You must be high

yunfei, ... His accuser HAD counseling before this episode. Not sure if the Missoulian ever mentioned that, but it wouldn't surprise me if they hadn't. They failed to mention many relevant aspects of this trial.
Maybe that's why jacksommerspy88 is so vindictive??

Roger
Roger

Florio should be fired, but she won't be - her biased reporting is exactly what the Missoulian expects from its reporters.

SDBOY
SDBOY

What does the Donaldson case have to do with this case?

jacksommersby88
jacksommersby88

Question -- if Donaldson was found not guilty and another reporter included it in this story, would you be griping then that it had nothing to do with this case? Exactly.

Justice floral
Justice floral

The difference would be... Two not guilty verdicts in the same story. But to try and cast doubt on JJs outcome by throwing in a yeah but is wrong.

khill
khill

Seriously??? what kind of reporting is this? Seems very biased to me. The only correlation with Donaldson is that he was on the same team and suspended from the team. Johnson was found NOT GUILTY. No other correlation....sorry, this should be re-written. You could have made a similar correlation to Dave Dickenson...hint hint...neither were found guilty of anything. Poor job in my opinion.

"Johnson was suspended from the team when he was charged with rape. A former teammate, running back Beau Donaldson, was sentenced in January to 30 years in prison, with 20 suspended, for raping a childhood friend."

montanamuralist
montanamuralist

Between Pat Williams saying the Griz football team was recruiting "thugs" to the reporting in this publication ( making sure to mention Donaldson who had NOTHING to do with the charges against Johnson Florio in this article...I am amazed you are still not bringing up the alleged gang rape no one has been charged with yet ...sheesh) and the obsession with a few players while ignoring all the good kids on the football team and in UM athletics in general, this has been a nightmare year. I doubt Johnson stays here and who can blame him with a pencil neck geek as President at UM who fires our AD and Coach for standing by a kid they believe in. Who would want to stay here. He might go to Weber if he doesn't have to sit out a year. NCAA may count this past season in which case the choice will be easy...join Phlu in Ogden.

Flip Wilson
Flip Wilson

What's next on your agenda, Gwen? Judging by the difference between the way you wrote this story and other new sources wrote it up, you are still grinding your axe. How are you going to demonize this young man next?

SDBOY
SDBOY

Missoulian are you not posting comments on this story?

Sentinel
Sentinel

Missoulian won't print comments that call it like it is with Florio and her pathetic agenda!

Tracker
Tracker

i hope you feel as foolish as you look. SDBOY's comments were posted and I suspect nearly everyone's comments were as long as they weren't libelous.

Alan Johnson
Alan Johnson

They're are responding to a time delay. My first comment didn't appear until some time after I posted it. The comments number was zero when I posted, but when it showed up there were about 10 others. Comments don't get posted until reviewed. Since the bulk of the comments here rail against the Missoulian in general and Gwen Florio in particular, it's hard to make a case that the Missoulian doesn't allow criticism on this site. I wonder if the irony is lost on some who rail against the Missoulian on a forum the Missoulian provides for them?

Still Here
Still Here

Who remembers reading the first reports from the Missoulian Reporter, What shame, this has caused.

SDBOY
SDBOY

It is too bad that this mess has ruined they lives of at least three people,the University should be held liable for the cost to tax payers for this trial. It was their leap to judgment that caused the problem. They University should immediately pay whatever penalty necessary and rehire both Jim O'Day and Coach Phlugrad. The President of the U. should be terminated at least a fast as he terminated the above mentioned individuals. The women's rights activists that talked the young woman into filing the charges should be terminated as they did her a tremendous disservice. Mr. Johnson,I would not blame you for playing for the Cats.

msladon
msladon

its to bad the community doesn't recognize the Missoulian for the yellow journalistic rag it has become.

bsfarm8
bsfarm8

Let the healing begin. Thoughts and prayers with both families. It is now time for Missoula to take a look at a few things. New leadership in the county attorney's office, a new District Court Judge and a new University president. Let the healing begin.

Alan Johnson
Alan Johnson

Not surprised at all. The short deliberation shows the jury pretty much had acquittal on their mind as they began deliberations. While some on this site had their pre-ordained opinions on guilt or innocence before trial, a jury which both sides had a hand in picking heard all the evidence and easily found the state had fallen short of the reasonable doubt test. As for me, I was not sure what actually went on between accuser and defendant and for me, "not sure" adds up to reasonable doubt. Good job to Kirsten Pabst and Dave Paoli. Not guilty verdicts in criminal trials don't come by that often. They did an outstanding job of defense.

Jordan Johnson has a heavy burden lifted. I have a six year old grandson named Jordan Johnson. So I definitely identified with the emotion of the father yesterday. I've always meant to get a football jersey signed for my grandson by big Jordan Johnson. Now I'll have to get that done. Good for Jordy Johnson. I'm sure the team will love to have him back.

whitehairedguy
whitehairedguy

I imagine that credibilty of each witness was a factor. Jordan was rock solid and never wavered. He came across exactly as everyone described him. Paoli had a good line..."you don't have to rehearse the truth". Many anti-Johnson people think he got way with rape...the unvarnished truth is only known by two people. Someone with less strength and character would probably have plea-bargained their way out of this mess. Jordan obviously had the strength of his convictions to see this through. I personally hope he leaves the area and gets a fresh start.

griznationbaby
griznationbaby

Glad this trial is over, it should never have happened, basically I guess it was politically correct to allow this trial to take place amidst all the allegations against the Missoula community regarding sexual assault issues.

Your Daugher
Your Daugher

Are you kidding? He had sex with a woman who said NO. I don't care what his youth pastor said. How father teared up. That he is a 'good boy who tetxts his father every day/ He forced himself on a woman who said NO. Another case where the BMOC is entitled to take what he wants. He can leave bruises on a woman. And he can afford to buy experts who will agree with his position. He RAPED an innocent woman and he smirks and walks away. Trash like this BMOC should be run out of town.

MT oldie
MT oldie

She claims she said NO and he claims she did NOT. A he-said/she-said case. None of us know which one is telling the truth. Your Daughter believes the alleged victim-the jury believes the defendant. Simple as that. It certainly doesn't mean that women are not protected and should BEWARE in Missoula. WHAT AN OVERSTATEMENT!

JMontana
JMontana

Oh you were there in the room the night of the alleged incident! Man, the prosecution could have used you a couple days ago, you should have spoke up... Oh wait, what's that? You have no idea what you're talking about and you're just making things up based on one girl's story that seems to be ever changing? Okay, that makes more sense. Here's a FACT for you, because you seem to be missing those in all of your comments. NOT GUILTY. End of story.

You must be high
You must be high

Your Daughter, ... In case you haven't heard, he was found NOT GUILTY. That means he is innocent. Not her. I see you think that that is not true. I would only ask, ... PROVE IT. He did not force himself on her. She never said "no". There were no bruises to support her "story". And I never saw this "smirk" you speak of.
The jury said he did NOT rape an innocent woman. They had consensual sex. Get over it.
But please explain what you mean by BMOC.

Your Daugher
Your Daugher

Women in Missoula beware, if you are not wearing a burka our community WILL NOT protect you against RAPE. Welcome to the 1800's women of Missoula. A hot shot 'Griz" player is entitled to do whatever HE wants, your word means nothing. You do no t matter. You do not have the right to set limits. He has the RIGHT to take what he wants...whenever, wherever. whatever.

madtaxpayer
madtaxpayer

give me a break, where was his weapon, a knife, a gun? nothing. no reason she couldn't have screamed if she were truly being raped. it's nothing but a girl wanting attention. this may be the 21st century, but maybe girls should still think twice about inviting a man up to their apt/dorm/home unless they plan to have sex. stay in public places until they are ready for something more. it's a simple solution. we never invited men into our homes 30-40-50 years ago unless we were interested in going a little further. common sense.

Rubygirl
Rubygirl

Mad taxpayer,

How scary! A woman has every right to let a man into her apartment, bedroom and not have to worry about being raped! Rape is not about sex it is about control. The more horrid comments like yours that I read the more I start believing that our society has not evolved at all in its treatment of women. What, should we go back to Victorian times that any woman not chaperoned when she is with a man is "compromised" and not considered decent? Ask women in your acquaintance if they have ever been "flashed" by a man, or pinched by a stranger, or their bra strap snapped, or jumped on by a date, or whistled at etc.. Yes, women should try to be safe, but no woman is asking to be raped if her behavior is considered "risky" by some narrow minded individuals. Women should not be objectified. Women are not Eve tempting Adam with the apple. Parents, teach your sons how to treat women! How a boy sees his father treat women is how the boy will treat women when they are men. Maybe Johnson did not rape her, I don't know, but his behavior toward the girl was not exactly respectful- he drank before the date, had unprotected, casual sex and he even talked with her afterwards- ugh! Not behavior of a gentleman.

You must be high
You must be high

Your Daughter, obviously, you were not in the courtroom for this trial.
Are you relying on the Missoulian for the merits of this case? Or do you simply believe this woman because you are one?

Roger
Roger

Spoken like a true feminazi. There was no rape here - Johnson was found "not guilty", despite a biased feminazi judge who ruled that the accuser could be referred to as "the victim". Why don't you leave Missoula if you don't like justice?

JMontana
JMontana

Ask Donaldson if GRIZ players can do whatever they want.... that's a rediculous argument. Women of Missoula beware, you can not wrongfully accuse a gentlemen of rape, even if you like him and he does not like you in return. Missoula will eventually put you in front of a court room, and should your lies not add up, they will not convict the wrongfully accused - beware women!

Stan Reck
Stan Reck

Jordan Johnson, please sue the University of Montana for their involvement. Sue for defamation, sue them for pushing this woman to do what she did. We believed in you and now the Jury has told us all what we already knew. NOT GUILTY. Now, SUE.

jacksommersby88
jacksommersby88

Oh, that makes a lot of sense, Stan -- the university "pushed the woman" to smear a star player of their own university. Isn't that like defecating where you eat?

Justice floral
Justice floral

You just don't get it jack. There is a high likelihood the UM would push her. The UM needed a fall guy. They needed to beat their chest and say "we're not Penn State. We're doing something about it". A calculated risk... Lose a quarterback get huge fines and sanctions by the NCAA. Hmmm? Motive?

You must be high
You must be high

Yes Jack it makes a lot of sense.
This "alleged victim" was pressured into going to trial with this frivolous case, by at least four women with an agenda against the football team and the supposed "epidemic of sexual assault" on the UM campus.
#1 the First Step nurse.
#2 the counselor.
#3 the lead detective.
#4 the assistant dean/pharmacy school head.

We might also add in a few friends, but, had you been in that courtroom, you too could have witnessed the agenda of those four women.

Alan Johnson
Alan Johnson

The University had no part in this criminal case against Jordan Johnson. It did not charge him, the state of Montana, by and through the Missoula County Attorney's office, did. Nor did the University push this woman to file a complaint. The alleged incident took place off campus.The only action taken was suspension from the football team which is normal for players charged with a crime. A lower board's decision to expel Jordan Johnson was overturned by the University on appeal. Johnson remains a student in good standing there.

Justice floral
Justice floral

No, but the UM convicted JJ in their Kangaroo Court. He was determined guilty before this ever went to trial. It may have been before charges were ever filed... Correct me if I am wrong. So yes, the UM was significantly involved.

Abasnail
Abasnail

Thank God! Not Guilty! Now to start a fund to help pay for his lawyers. What a shame.

Mazola
Mazola

pro bono Paoli...come on man!

msladon
msladon

No Mr. Paoli,, sue the powers that wanted it to be and take your cut from that. That this trial made it to court was a travesty of justice. the state admits into evidence a blanket they said had stains from having sex on it but never tested the blanket against DNA samples,,,,, give me a break, this trial was trumped up sensationalism from the get go.

jacksommersby88
jacksommersby88

20 years suspended on a 30-year jail sentence for rape! Wow. The rape victim is sentenced to a lifetime of psychological hell and the running-back monster gets only ten years. A travesty.

whitehairedguy
whitehairedguy

Wow...what a sour insignificant life you lead.

jacksommersby88
jacksommersby88

Wow, what an empty moral sense you have in that only 10 years for a rape when the sentence was 30 years is A-OK with you.

Justice floral
Justice floral

You're not with us Jack... Come back... No go away

msladon
msladon

jack, get some help, your posts are nothing but assumptions and suppositions, they have nothing to do with what happened, you've proven your vendetta.

JMontana
JMontana

You must be on the wrong article Jack? None of your posts are factual or make any sense, but this one is just on a different topic.... get it together (highly unlikely).

msladon
msladon

seconded

jacksommersby88
jacksommersby88

msladon,

If you had a wife or daughter raped and the rapist was to serve only 10 years of an original 30-year sentence, you'd be fine with that, then?

jacksommersby88
jacksommersby88

msladon,

I'd like an answer to my question.

msladon
msladon

i believe in the justice system Jack, i'm sorry you don't understand it.

msladon
msladon

jack, your question doesn't warrant an answer, it has absolutely nothing to do with the case or topic being discussed.

jacksommersby88
jacksommersby88

I'm sorry that you can't bring yourself to answer my question -- because you and I both know your answer would be, "30 years minimum!"

casinebdwp
casinebdwp

How insensitive! A young woman is raped....her life will never be the same. The "thing" that raped her may only have to serve 4 years of a 30 year sentence when all is said and done.

Do you know the statistics for rape? I can only hope that you don't have a wife or daughter raped because you have no clue.

Aberdeen
Aberdeen

HUH?? Johnson was found NOT Guilty - what are you talking about?

Justice floral
Justice floral

What case are we all posting about? Get in the game Jack. You're not with us

You must be high
You must be high

Jack, .... What happened??
You can no longer vilify Jordan Johnson (that's what this is about), so now you're reaching elsewhere??
What is wrong with you??

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