The Rocky Mountain Elk Foundation has removed all references to its Olaus Murie conservation award after the researcher’s family objected to the group’s policy on wolves.

In a letter to RMEF President David Allen, Olaus Murie’s son, Donald Murie, said the organization’s “all-out war against wolves” is “anathema to the entire Murie family.”

“We must regretfully demand that unless you have a major change in policy regarding wolves that you cancel the Olaus Murie Award,” Donald Murie wrote. “The Murie name must never be associated with the unscientific and inhumane practices you are advancing.”

The Missoula-based RMEF has filed amicus briefs in federal lawsuits supporting the removal of Rocky Mountain gray wolves from Endangered Species Act protection. In March, it donated $50,000 to the Montana Department of Fish, Wildlife and Parks to fund contracts with federal Wildlife Services for wolf-killing activity.

RMEF Chief Operating Officer Rod Triepke said the letter was the first time the family had been heard from in several years.

“What we’re going to do is honor the family’s request,” Triepke said on Wednesday. “We’ll immediately cease awarding Murie awards, and all references will be removed.”

“But we’re not going to change our position,” Triepke added. “We believe in science-based management and that hasn’t changed. We’re not sure what the entire letter’s based upon.”

Several other conservation groups have challenged RMEF’s wolf position, including Eugene, Ore.-based Cascadia Wildlands. Organization director Bob Ferris said he reached out to the Murie family to get the letter written.

“(Olaus) Murie, Aldo Leopold and a handful of other pioneers were the first proponents of biodiversity and preservation,” Ferris said on Wednesday. “For the family, the Rocky Mountain Elk Foundation’s position just drove them crazy. They’re sending a warning to the Elk Foundation that they have to return to science, or their only conservation award they’ll have left is the Dale Earnhardt award. Maybe they just don’t care anymore.”

Ferris said Allen’s background as a sports marketer for NASCAR and the Pro Rodeo Cowboys Association didn’t provide him with the experience necessary to respect the complexity of wildlife ecology. He said comments such as those Allen made to the Idaho Statesman newspaper – that states should “shoot wolves from the air and gas their dens” to control their populations – showed his disregard for the species.

“It’s a demonstration of the problem where you have any technical group and the leader isn’t grounded in that field of endeavor,” Ferris said. He cited a March incident where RMEF initially supported congressional legislation to turn over control of federal inventoried roadless areas to state management before the group’s membership demanded a course reversal because of potential loss of elk habitat.

Triepke said Allen wasn’t available for comment on Wednesday. He added that while RMEF’s membership hadn’t offered much response to the Murie letter, its board members were resolute about retaining the current wolf policy.

“The comments back from our board of directors is we’re on the right path,” Triepke said. “We need to stay the course of sound, science-based wildlife management, and we don’t think we should change that direction.”

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RMEF has supported extended wolf hunts and trapping in Montana and Idaho, with Allen advising the Montana Fish, Wildlife and Parks Commission “to prepare for more aggressive wolf control methods, perhaps as early as summer 2012,” according to the organization’s website. He “reminded the agency that elk and other big-game herds in certain areas are being significantly impacted by burgeoning wolf populations, along with black bears, grizzlies and mountain lions.”

FWP commissioners last week approved adding trapping to the legal methods of taking wolves for the 2012 hunting season. Hunters killed 166 wolves in a 220-wolf quota in the 2011-12 Montana season. That left an estimated 653 wolves in the state.

Idaho hunters shot 255 wolves and trapped 124 more in their nearly yearlong season that ended June 30. The state estimates 746 wolves remain.

Montana and Idaho must each keep at least 150 wolves and 15 breeding pairs within their borders to maintain state authority over the predator. Otherwise, the federal government may move to return gray wolves to threatened or endangered status under the Endangered Species Act.

Triepke said RMEF started giving the Olaus Murie Award in 1999 and has presented it five or six times since then. Murie, who died in 1963, "was a renowned biologist and one of the country’s great champions of wildlife and wilderness," according the website of the Wilderness Society, where he served as director.

Murie published pioneering research on the elk herd in Jackson Hole, Wyo., and became "an early, staunch defender of predators and their crucial role in ecosystems," the site says.

The organization’s leadership was discussing how to continue the award effort without Murie's association.

“It’s usually given to someone in the wildlife sciences field,” he said. “There’s a lot of folks in wildlife sciences who do great work that deserves recognition. We’ll find a way to recognize those folks.”

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DavidStalling
DavidStalling

I conceived and created the Olaus J. Murie Award (with coordination and approval from the Murie family) on behalf of the RMEF back when the RMEF truly was a science-based conservation organization. I created the award in honor of Olaus Murie, who is widely considered the father of modern elk research and management for the ground-breaking work he did as the first biologist to conduct extensive research on elk at the National Elk Refuge in Jackson Hole, Wyoming in the 1940s-1950s. He was also author of the first “Elk of North America” – the first, most thorough and comprehensive scientific treatise on elk and elk management, which has now been updated several times by the Wildlife Management Institute. (I had read Murie’s book several times, and was honored to have had a chapter published in the most recent edition.)

Since then, the RMEF has gone through radical and sad changes: The organization got taken over by a board of directors of conservative businessmen with no knowledge of wildlife or ecology; they got rid of all the good leaders (such as Gary Wolfe, Alan Christensen and Bill Geer) who not only helped create and shape the RMEF, but had solid, impressive backgrounds in wildlife biology, ecology and science-based wildlife management. The organization now ignores and defies good wildlife science and instead panders to pressure from outfitters, politicians and members with little knowledge or understanding of wildlife and, in particular, interactions between wolves and elk. The group has abandoned principles for income and popularity.

During my ten years as the conservation editor RMEF’s Bugle magazine, I wrote many acclaimed and award-winning science-based articles and essays regarding wildlife, ecology, natural history and wildlife management. Several of those stories focused on good science that RMEF itself helped fund at the time showing clear, solid evidence of improvements in the health of habitat and elk herds living among wolves; how wolf predation was mostly compensatory and not additive; how elk behavior and habits and habitat choices changed in the presence of wolves, and the other numerous complexities that factored in such as habitat conditions, habitat effectiveness, vulnerability, bull-to-cow ratios, calving and calf survival rates . . . and many other often complex, interconnected relationships . In those days, the RMEF helped convey this information to keep people informed and knowledgeable about the issues, supporting the kind of good, solid science that Olaus Murie himself began and would have been proud of.

Today, the RMEF is run by a conservative businessman from NASCAR with no understanding or knowledge of wildlife or elk ecology and biology, who has called wolf reintroduction the “worst ecological disaster since the decimation of bison herds,” and continues to erroneously claim elk are “decimating” and “annihilating” elk herds (despite the scientific evidence), and who viciously attacks anyone who disagrees and tries to keep the truth from being published. (Myself and other good, science-based writers such as Rick Bass, Ted Kerasote, David Petersen and others have all been banished from writing for Bugle, with no explanation.)

This, despite the fact of tremendous habitat recoveries and improvements to elk and other wildlife habitat in Yellowstone thanks to wolf recovery, and the fact there are now more elk in Montana (and more hunting opportunity) than ever, and the fact that I see as many elk as always in the country I hunt (though their habits have changed) and that Montana outfitters are claiming the best elk hunting success in years.

Good for the Murie family – the RMEF has become a tremendous disgrace to the good, science-based research and management that Olaus Murie began and promoted.

Mazola

Thank you Mr. Stalling for taking the time to set the record straight. Bravo sir. Think twice before donating your hard earned $$ to the RMEF. It's just another business for profit sadly.

DavidStalling
DavidStalling

I conceived and created the Olaus J. Murie Award (with coordination and approval from the Murie family) on behalf of the RMEF back when the RMEF truly was a science-based conservation organization. I created the award in honor of Olaus Murie, who is widely considered the father of modern elk research and management for the ground-breaking work he did as the first biologist to conduct extensive research on elk at the National Elk Refuge in Jackson Hole, Wyoming in the 1940s-1950s. He was also author of the first “Elk of North America” – the first, most thorough and comprehensive scientific treatise on elk and elk management, which has now been updated several times by the Wildlife Management Institute. (I had read Murie’s book several times, and was honored to have had a chapter published in the most recent edition.)

Since then, the RMEF has gone through radical and sad changes: The organization got taken over by a board of directors of conservative businessmen with no knowledge of wildlife or ecology; they got rid of all the good leaders (such as Gary Wolf, Alan Christensen and Bill Geer) who not only helped create and shape the RMEF, but had solid, impressive backgrounds in wildlife biology, ecology and science-based wildlife management. The organization now ignores and defies good wildlife science and instead panders to pressure from outfitters, politicians and members with little knowledge or understanding of wildlife and, in particular, interactions between wolves and elk. The group has abandoned principles for income and popularity.

During my ten years as the conservation editor RMEF’s Bugle magazine, I wrote many acclaimed and award-winning science-based articles and essays regarding wildlife, ecology, natural history and wildlife management. Several of those stories focused on good science that RMEF itself helped fund at the time showing clear, solid evidence of improvements in the health of habitat and elk herds living among wolves; how wolf predation was mostly compensatory and not additive; how elk behavior and habits and habitat choices changed in the presence of wolves, and the other numerous complexities that factored in such as habitat conditions, habitat effectiveness, vulnerability, bull-to-cow ratios, calving and calf survival rates . . . and many other often complex, interconnected relationships . In those days, the RMEF helped convey this information to keep people informed and knowledgeable about the issues, supporting the kind of good, solid science that Olaus Murie himself began and would have been proud of.

Today, the RMEF is run by a conservative businessman from NASCAR with no understanding or knowledge of wildlife or elk ecology and biology, who has called wolf reintroduction the “worst ecological disaster since the decimation of bison herds,” and continues to erroneously claim elk are “decimating” and “annihilating” elk herds (despite the scientific evidence), and who viciously attacks anyone who disagrees and tries to keep the truth from being published. (Myself and other good, science-based writers such as Rick Bass, Ted Kerasote, David Petersen and others have all been banished from writing for Bugle, with no explanation.)

This, despite the fact of tremendous habitat recoveries and improvements to elk and other wildlife habitat in Yellowstone thanks to wolf recovery, and the fact there are now more elk in Montana (and more hunting opportunity) than ever, and the fact that I see as many elk as always in the country I hunt (though their habits have changed) and that Montana outfitters are claiming the best elk hunting success in years.

Good for the Murie family – the RMEF has become a tremendous disgrace to the good, science-based research and management that Olaus Murie began and promoted.

Mazola

Thank you to the Murie family for standing on principle and science. Now let's see some other big $$ donaters step up to the plate and follow suit.

not mom

I joined Friday, waiting for 4 issues of their magazine and a cool sticker for the back window of the truck.

I'm not sure how many of "the Murie family" actually participated in severing ties to the RMEF. I think that youngest son is around 80 and lives in Palm Springs. And I think Bob Ferris of Cascadia Wildlife did a lot of behind the scenes lobbying, heck he might have written the letter, it seems to be in Bob's writing style.

I can't blame the RMEF for it's pro wolf reintroduction stance at the beginning, it was also my view. I've since educated myself. Looks like the RMEF has too.

JiminTFalls

While some may quibble over hunting one species, and controlling another for that first's benefit, I have to wonder WHY it is that we, the owners of this nation and all its resources, are NOT allowed to "harm" a Grizzly (for example), yet the contracted consultants and employees of wildlife agencies (FWP, USFS, USFWS) are permitted to capture (through trapping or darts laced with potentially dangerous poisons), place in cages, and transport grizzlies into areas that the grizzlies are not (and may not want to be). This is akin to what Arabs did to some Africans in centuries past, transporting their "prey" to distant lands for the benefits of some other masters... Today's "massa" being wildlife "experts", whose jobs rely on being able to do just the same thing with otherwise unwilling captives. Time to end the insanity.

areaman26

I think that we should start killing Bald Eagles, Osprey and anything else that eats fish. I mean, I like to fish and they are killing and eating them so there are less for me to catch. This seems to be the same "scientific" approach that RMEF takes in its management ideals with wolves. As long as there are more elk for the hunters they are a happy, willfully ignorant, bunch of folks. Certainly not something that Olaus Murie would want to be associated with.

C Wick

Typical silly liberal logic. In the words of G. Marx, "I have a mind to join a club and beat you over the head with it."
A large and healthy Elk herd, managed responsibly is good for hunters and 'lovers of wildlife' alike. When did wolves manage a resource 'scientifically'?

RPT

Looks like Mz Richard got the boot ( again )
Wonder who she'll show up as next time?

richardr11

say what?

RPT

Seeing as how your opinion is irrelevant and the majority of your post are nasty,repetitive and meaningless
I guess they just removed your post instead of you as a method of warning you and controlling your form of garbage.
That’s a pity..Enjoy it while it lasts... Your time here is limited.

HarleyD

It never ceases to amaze me how all wildlife managed to survive for millions of years without the "science based approach and state management" I now hear talk of. More species of animals and plants have become extinct in the last 300 years than in the preceding millions of years because of similar philosophies. Yes, RMEF has endeavored to promote certain species of animals since its beginnings but only so it members have more to kill. BTW, I am an elk hunter and never have nor ever will be an RMEF member because of the policies and philosphy

LoneWolf25

HarleyD, Thanks for your intelligent and decent comment. It is always encouraging to see a normal hunter who has both a good heart and a good mind. If only there was a way to prevent hateful, cruel and ignorant dummies from hunting and trapping. I am convinced that wildlife trapping will be banned sooner than later across the US, as 88 other countries have already done. That will eliminate this antiquated and perverted activity that many mentally ill people now have to trap, torture and kill America's native wildlife.

C Wick

AND - these 'Biologists' are know to cause more harm than good with thier 'scientific' interfeance [manipulation] of species management.

MTNATIVE1000

I am thinking about joining the RMEF again. I was a member long ago when this foundation was born. The RMEF then stood and did nothing as elk herds were totally decimated. I terminated my membership in RMEF back in 1997. They were way to pro-wolf for my liking. The RMEF and many people forgot why wolves were eradicated back in the 1930's. These ignorant NIMBYS make me want to puke. The Wolves are now spreading into everyones backyard and the acceptance of Wolves is disintegrating. The new stance by RMEF is a nice change. Unfortunately mankind never learns. I compare the wolf reintroduction to the world allowing Hitler to build his army so soon after world war one.

MTNATIVE1000

This family does not like wolf management which is the key to preserving Elk herds for future generations. Good riddance. This is the Rocky Mountain Elk foundation. Not some wolf hugger group. I am looking forward to shooting 3 wolves. I could really care less if a few get wounded.

Kahlotus

And why would anyone think you would care? We already knew you were a sociopath.

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RPT

Your comment has been reported.. Your time here is limited
The wolf is off the ESA list FOREVER.. DEAL with it.
God..It must ’suck’ to be you.

RPT

Can someone please explain just exactly what involvement the Murie’s family actually had with the RMEF ?
Did the family actually donate something or were they involved in and work on one of the many projects the Foundation has been involved in?
Or is this just the kids riding in on Dad’s coattails it try and get some mileage and glory out of his lifetime of hard work for themselves?

MarkH

RMEF honored the memory Olaus Murie by establishing an award in his name in 1999. In that light, it recognized 6 or 7 researchers over the last 12 years. The itself family has no ties to RMEF.

RPT

Yea.. That's kind of what I figured . Talk the Talk but not interested in Walking the Walk.
Can’t help but wonder what Olaus’s reaction and opinion would have been concerning the disgraceful slaughter of the Yellowstone elk herds
that has been allowed to happen?.. I’m sure even he would have been disgusted over what happened there.

Stan Reck
Stan Reck

So what? I'm joining REMF now.

JayJ

Keep up the great work RMEF! You make the crazies think they are legitimate productive homo sapient...too funny!

RPT

The RMEF was founded by elk hunters for elk hunters to help protect and preserve the tradition of elk hunting.
And has had tremendous support and success since day one... Why is that so hard for some to understand?
Those who don’t like it,including the members of the Murie family, are more then welcome to go form their own foundation.

UMstudent77
UMstudent77

WWWWAAAAAAAAAAA

land4all

It is true there are elk left in the states where wolves were planted, but it is also true that the area where wolves cannot be controlled in any manner (Yellowstone NP) is where the elk, which are not hunted and do not compete with cattle, have been almost brought to extinction. Give the wolves and researchers a few more years and they will accomplish that too. Good for RMEF, I suspect they will more than make up for the loss of so called green dollars. I would love to know what Olas woudl think of turning Yellowsone into a wolf farm.

Wild Rose

Mt_Mama said "sanity, you do NOT speak for the majority of Montanans." Mt_mama I don't think you and your ilk do either. You folks are just noiser. Not everyone in Montana wants to see the wolves decimated. And this includes some ranchers, farmers, and hunters. You rabble rousing few are trying to make it seem you are the majority. And I don't think you are.

murph

We are not talking decimated, we are talking managed, and for the record a very large majority of Montanans want wolves managed.

downthemiddle

Last count, there are over 40,000 gray wolves between the U.S. and Canada... they are not endangered...

old farmer

Thank you RMEF for standing up and doing the right thing. The wolves are doing a lot of harm .

LoneWolf25

Hey Roger, RPT, Pistol and others who can't stop lying:
Since wolves returned to the Rocky Mountain states where they are native and where they belong, every single state wildlife agency has reported that there are now more elk and that the elk are healthier, then BEFORE the wolves returned. Yes, there are fewer elk in some areas, mainly due to over-hunting by humans and human caused changes to elk habitat, but over all there are more elk in all the states WITH WOLVES PRESENT. That is the way wolves and elk have evolved, they keep each other healthy and numerous. The out of control emotions come from your side and your ignorant hatred. The lies the federal welfare cattlemen repeat over and over again about wolves, about bison, about any native animal they always hate. Your side is made up of despicable liars, torturers and killers. We who love wolves, love them because we love what the Great Spirit created, we know the truth about wolves, we don't have to lie about them. We accept wolves as they are: ecologically vital, innocent and beautiful beings. We are emotional in a decent and humane way, the opposite of your ignorant hatred based emotions which comes from your arrogance, brutality, blood lust, darkness, malicious fairy tales and immature propaganda. To persecute and slaughter wolves is completely unjust, to persecute and torture wolves is a crime against nature, against God himself who put all of us here, including wolves. That city slicker Obama, wolf-hating rancher Salazar, mentally deranged Otter and cowardly Schweitzer allowed the bad guys to persecute, torture and massacre wolves, again, in this country is an obscene crime.

dave ajou
dave ajou

Anyway, most of us have to get back to the planet Earth. Unfortunately Dances with Wolves did as much for game management as Bambi did. I like this snippet ,"the federal welfare cattleman", mom and dad sent junior out of state to take an environmental studies class, and now we have religion and fanaticism whipped up as neatly as any Madrassa could pump out.Your frothing at the mouth lost in the court of opinion, it lost in the court of law, and it lost in the real world. Most of us think wolves are just fine in manageable numbers, and that safety net is guaranteed. Your notion that there should be no control over an apex predator population is delusional. If you really think they are that innocent and benevolent, I suggest you become the wolf version of Timothy Treadwell and go live with your brothers. He once said it would be an honor to end up as bear scat, no doubt you feel the same way, at least until the moment of truth. Bon voyage.

powderbum

Good job to whomever pulls funding from the RMEF. Not only because of this absurd stance but in general they have failed to provide any basis for a number of similar actions over the last few years. I have said it before and will say it again...I see hundreds of elk while hiking the Bass Creek and Kootenai trails. Both have major wolf activity year round yet lots of elk...how can this be. OK hunters/trappers cannot fill the wolf quota's that are set....claim the wolves are killing the elk....lots of elk out there...hmmmm! Either the hunters are poor hunters or they are overstating the impact and numbers of the wolf. OH I get it.....there are so many wolves you just can't get them.......

eweb753
eweb753

"Good job to whomever pulls funding from the RMEF." -- Just replaced it for you, if anyone actually did! Along with hundreds of others who are surely donating.. Thanks RMEF.

ridgerunner

J Smith, you forget one very important fact - it is the money of sportsman that built those elk herds. The fact that the Murie family bowed to the psuedo-science of such envirnomental whackjobs as the Cascadia Wildlands bunch just goes to show how stupid they are. These wolves were imported under the 10(j) rule - non-essential experimental populations; that's because they are non-indigencous and non essential. And counter to the "balance of the ecosystem" claim, no proof of that exists. All wolves are is a tool of environmental groups who believe in the communist ideology of government ownership of land - yours included.

huck

RMEF can't claim a science based approach when they give money to the MT FWP to help kill wolves. Of the little recent science we have, the West Fork study shows that black bears and mountain lions were more to blame for elk mortality rather than wolves. The RMEF needs to stop playing the sensationalism card and support wildlife management as a whole. They could respect their membership more by not showing rich NASCAR guys killing elk on private ranches on TeamELK, what a joke, lets get back to hunting as tradition that Montana families have enjoyed for years.

LoneWolf25

David Allen and the Rocky Mountain Elk Foundation are ecologically ignorant, pathetic liars. The fact that Montana Fish Wildlife & Parks has become a servant to: 1. this former NASCAR sports marketer and his bizarre anti-wolf, anti-ecology propaganda team, 2. the always hysterical 'federal welfare' ranchers, 3. sadistic trappers and sport killers and 4. too many others in Montana who still demonize wolves based on malicious fairy tales... is the most pathetic part of this renewed, completely unjust persecution of wolves. This is the very reason America's wolves needed to remain federally protected for a long time to come. No state in this country and certainly no state government in the Rockies, has yet matured beyond mythology and fairy tales, when it comes to living respectfully with ecologically vital, innocent and beautiful wolves.

Where was the Murie family until now? Where are the Leopolds? Did they really have to be prodded to come forward, finally, after the horrible and heartbreaking persecution, torture and killing of America's wolves was underway? The wolf persecution and killing must be stopped completely and stopped now.

An ecologically ignorant NASCAR sports marketer, anti-ecology welfare ranchers and sadistic trappers should not be controlling wildlife policy anywhere in this country or anywhere in the world. Unless we are really not the great country we keep saying we are. The US must stop being dominated by uncontrolled greed and killing and brutality. There are too many good people throughout the US for this to continue. I love wolves because I love and respect life.

MarkH

@LoneWolf25
First of all, does"bizarre anti-wolf, anti-ecology propaganda" = supporting federally-approved state management of ALL species of wildlife--elk and wolves included? RMEF supports state agencies.
Secondly, if you are going to specifically single out David Allen in a game of name-calling, why do so anonymously? Why not state your name too?

free4all

From what I understand, RMEF has never been for the complete annihilation of wolves. Rather, they support a science based approach, state management, and even contributed funds to a local study of elk mortality factors . I would think that would line up exactly with the founders of Conservation (not necessarily the environmental movement which has a completely different foundation of belief and agenda). There has been a complete disregard of science and facts, litigation based on only emotion, and goal line politics from environmental groups. This is just more about politics and emotion and less about sound science. Kind of an ironic way for the decendants to honor their heritage.

RPT

By a HUGE majority the people of Montana are, and always have been, in favor of the management of ALL the wildlife in our state
including wolves.. The pro wolf groups and their activist judge have only themselves to blame for what’s happened including the new
rules and quotas ,including trapping, for the 2012/2013 Montana Wolf hunting season.
Up next will be a 24/7..365 day season that allows hunting by any means possible,including trapping, until wolves are reduced to manageable numbers.

It’s disgraceful that this issue has been allowed to come to this thanks to these special interest groups and the money involved.

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RPT

The wolf is off the ESA list FOREVER... Deal with it.
It must suck to be you.

Matthew Koehler

See also:

David Allen vs. David Allen
by Rob Klavins, Jul 13, 2012

http://www.oregonwild.org/about/blog/david-allen-vs-david-allen

MarkH

No offense Matthew but Oregon Wild is not Time or USA Today. This link is from an organization looking to spread its influence and beliefs in a slanted kind of way--nothing more. David Allen did not call for gassing of wolf dens or aerial gunning. He said if wolves are not managed by states right now, they will be forced to control populations by such methods.

J_Smith
J_Smith

"They did right by taking a stand against ANYTHING ,including wolves ,that’s harmful to any of our states elk herds."

Let me see if I follow: wolves kill and eat elk, and are therefore harmful to our state's elk herds. So, by that logic, RMEF should be taking an equally strong stance against hunters, who kill and eat somewhere around 20,000 to 30,000 Montana elk each year—a number roughly similar to what wolves take.

Let's be honest, this is not about "protection" of elk. Elk in Montana are doing just fine. This is about protection of economic and recreational interests. Nothing wrong with that, but let's at least keep the argument grounded in reality.

Roger
Roger

If you were honest, you would state that elk (and deer) in some areas have been significantly affected by wolves and other predators.

Your ludicrous assertion that RMEF should be taking a stance against hunters is obviously absurd. No intelligent person would have written that. RMEF was founded by hunters, and it is about elk and elk hunting.

J_Smith
J_Smith

Roger, look up hyperbole in the dictionary. It's a rhetorical device. I'm not actually suggesting that RMEF take a stance against hunting.

JiminTFalls

Do you have source material to back up your assertion that "hunters... kill and eat somewhere around 20,000 to 30,000 Montana elk each year"? Seems an awfully broad range, with no evidence of truth...

J_Smith
J_Smith

Yes, I do have source material: Montana Fish Wildlife & Parks elk managment plan. You can access it here: http://fwp.mt.gov/fishAndWildlife/management/elk/managementPlan.html. It doesn't seem like an awfully broad range to me. Think about how much the weather conditions in a given year can affect hunting success.

Mumble

Amen!! Kudos to the Murie family. RMEF, well RMEF and MT FWP are inept.

JiminTFalls

Yes, kudos to the Murie Family. And good riddance.

BWO

Thanks to the Murie family for standing on principle and science.

JiminTFalls

Yes, thank you for standing on flimsy principles. And thank you for leaving. Good riddance. Take your money to Cuba.

Pistol

About time the Elk Foundation got on board. They should have opposed the introduction of the canadian wolves. There was a radio show ten years or so ago that during the period of introduction kept asking the question why a pro elk organization wouldn't actively oppose the introduction. What changed the RMEF was the loss of memberships from elk hunters, and advocates. Follow the money! Truth is we already had wolves as has been demonstrated by tracking them. No border will fence them in. Canadian wolves were already coming into the US. Now we have a mess, that was self inflicted. Game herds are down, and mountain lions are now a major factor, because of fewer chasers. Mountain lion hunters got tired of the wolves killing their dogs. We should have learned from history that there was/is a reason for how people dealt with wolves years ago. Add to that the government in charge, and you have a mess.

Roger
Roger

This pitiful, stupid stunt by the Murie family will have absolutely no effect on Montana's wolf policy. I believe I will join the RMEF to support its scientific stance on wolves.

sanity

Thank you, thank you, thank you Murie family for doing this, for taking this step to bring sanity to this issue! We, the majority of Montanans applaud your willingness to do the right thing. What needs to be asked now is, should MT FWP be accepting money from special interest groups who are so full of irrational hatred toward a single species? Federal Wildlife Services itself is under severe scrutiny for it's policies on 'predator management'. To many of us, the donating of such large sums of money is highly suspect. Our public lands and the wildlife contained therein are supposed to be managed for the public trust-how is this possible when an organization is allowed to lobby another with outrageous amounts of cash? This reader would like to know....

MT_Mama

sanity, you do NOT speak for the majority of Montanans.

MarkH

Wildlife Services works with "every day" folks adversely affected by various wildlife species. They are part of the management puzzle that allows humans and wildlife to share the same landscape. RMEF's donation goes toward improving the science-based management of the overall wolf population which includes monitoring, tracking, and --if needed-- eliminating problem wolves.

http://www.rmef.org/NewsandMedia/NewsReleases/2012/RMEFdonates.htm

RPT

It’s known as the “rocky mountain ELK foundation” for a reason.
They did right by taking a stand against ANYTHING ,including wolves ,that’s harmful to any of our states elk herds.
The Foundation was formed for the protection of ELK and will survive just fine without the
Murie family support or Award.

MobyMike

From RMEF Web Site:
Mission Statement

The Elk Foundation’s mission is to ensure the future of elk, OTHER WILDLIFE and their habitat.

RPT

But ELK first above all others.
Thank you for pointing that out and making my point.

Kokanee

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