He mesmerized University of Montana football fans with his dazzling playoff performance against Northern Iowa on Dec. 9, 2011.

That was the last time Jordan Johnson walked off the field at Washington-Grizzly Stadium with a smile on his face and a game day jersey on his back. The quarterback threw for three touchdowns and rushed for 86 yards on that bone-chilling night in Missoula, helping showcase UM football before a national television audience on ESPN.

Since then Johnson, described by many as a shy individual, has shed a lot of tears in the public eye, enduring a jury trial in which he was acquitted last week of a charge of sexual intercourse without consent. His long ordeal came to an official end, at least footballwise, on Tuesday when UM announced in a press release he has been reinstated on the Griz team.

“I was very happy for my buddy and his family and the whole situation,” said William Poehls, Montana junior offensive lineman. “Very happy, to say the least.”

“He’s all-around just a good guy. It’s hard to break it down, but he’s really humble. That’s one of the biggest aspects I’ve noticed from him as a person and a player. He’s a phenomenal quarterback, but he is definitely humble.”

Linebacker Jordan Tripp echoed those thoughts.

“Just as a unit we’re excited. The team is excited,” said the standout senior-to-be. “He’s a great friend. Good leader.”

Montana football coach Mick Delaney communicated in a text message Tuesday that he’s unable to comment on the situation. But he did confirm Johnson “will be in spring ball (on March 18) competing for a starting job.”

The University of Montana’s Athletic Conduct Team decided to reinstate Johnson after hearing his appeal on Monday. Johnson appealed his suspension from the team over the weekend.

“We met with him and had a great discussion,” UM athletic director Kent Haslam said.

Four officials were involved in the meeting. The list included Haslam, senior women’s administrator Jean Gee, faculty athletics representative Jim Lopach and Greg Machek, chairman of the university athletic committee.

“I don’t want to dive too deeply into what we discussed, but what I can tell you is Jordan expressed a desire to return, that was important to him,” Haslam said. “At this point, you know you just want to help people get back to normal lives as much as we can, also understanding it’s been difficult for a lot of people.”

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Johnson, who has used up two years of eligibility, was suspended from the Grizzlies briefly last March after a fellow student took out a restraining order against him. He was then removed from the team under UM’s athletic code of conduct when the rape charge was filed in Missoula County District Court.

That was last July 31. From the initial restraining order to the conclusion of the trial took nearly one year. The case also seemed to be a major factor in the dismissals of head coach Robin Pflugrad and athletic director Jim O’Day, though when they were fired last March 29 UM President Royce Engstrom mentioned only that a change of leadership was needed.

Johnson threw for exactly 2,400 yards and 21 touchdowns in 2011, against nine interceptions. He also was the Grizzlies’ third-leading rusher that season, with 506 yards.

“I’m happy for Jordy and his family that this phase of what has gone on in the past year is over,” O’Day said Tuesday. “I wish him the best of luck.

“It will be nice to see him back on the field playing again. Jordy is a very talented player. He was a kid I got to know a little bit from the moment he came on the campus because he was Robin Pflugrad’s top recruit that first year he got the job. He’s always been very quiet and shy, and I’m glad he can move on in his life.”

Engstrom approved Johnson’s reinstatement, it was also announced Tuesday.

“What’s important to talk about is there was a process in place that allows any student athlete to appeal their suspension,” Haslam said. “We followed through on that process and felt like reinstating Jordan Johnson to the football team was the right thing to do.

“We’re always trying to improve and make sure we get better. I think it’s important for student athletes to have a way to appeal and have their moment when they visit with folks and we can talk about this thing.”

According to a 2012 article published in USA Today, many college officials agree it would be wrong to ignore sexual assault reports, but some feel unequipped to handle such cases. Under Title IX, they face lawsuits from both sides.

As the article states, colleges are required to use a preponderance of evidence policy in these cases, a belief that guilt is more likely than not, and a much lower standard of due process than defendants have in criminal court.

Johnson did not immediately return a phone message left by the Missoulian on Tuesday. His Grizzlies will open their 2013 season at home against Appalachian State on Aug. 31.

Editor Sherry Devlin can be reached at 523-5250 or at sdevlin@missoulian.com.

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National Coalition For Men-Montana State

Help us protect men from this!

http://www.avoiceformen.com/montana-state-university-and-men/ncfm-rape-hysteria-crisis-at-the-university-of-montana/

glacierdude

Couple things here.

The biggest problem that I can see in cases of rape is that the defendant appears to be guilty until proven either innocent OR not guilty.

Next.....there is a difference between innocent and not guilty. If the defendant pleads not guily it is then injcumbent on the state to prove him guilty. If that defendant were to plead innocent it would then be incumbent on the DEFEBDANT to prove that he is innocent. That is a HUGE difference. NOT GUILTY AND INNOCENT ARE NOT THE SAME !!!!

hellgatenights

Shaddup already. Parsing words is not amusing when a intellectual lightweight is in the ring.

Hard to believe Johnson would stay here after all this. Maybe he can teach the coach a few things about winning.

MMIN

I approached the Johnson trial not knowing whether he was guilty or not. However, by its conclusion, I was convinced he is innocent--and yes, I do mean innocent. A "not guilty" verdict returned barely two hours after the completion of a three-week trial is as close to "innocent" as we get with our system. I'm willing to bet that anyone who thinks otherwise either didn't observe the trial in its entirety or entered the courtroom already convinced Johnson was guilty. If the trial itself wouldn't convince someone that the verdict was correct, Johnson's reaction to it would. That was not the reaction of a guilty man.

A jury--of which a majority was women--heard the evidence and Johnson was acquitted. That decision should be respected. Justice was served. It had nothing to do with his status as a football player. As any attorney will tell you, putting a defendant on the stand in a criminal trial is always tremendously risky. Johnson didn't have to speak, but he wanted to to tell his side of the story. And frankly, he was probably the most credible of all the witnesses who testified. He didn't run from anything and I wouldn't expect him to now. I don't know him, but I don't believe that's the kind of person he is. He has earned the right to hold his head high and I fully support his return to the Grizzly football team.

Throughout this entire process since the allegations first surfaced--a process that in hindsight clearly seems to have been unfair to him at times--Johnson has shown he is a person of great strength and character. I feel terrible about what he and his family have been through, but in a discomforting way, it's good the trial place. Without it, much of the truth would have remained hidden. That's as frightening as it is sad.

None of these comments are intended to downplay sexual assault or bash the accuser. Rape is a horrific thing. But I don't believe it occurred here. Sometimes perhaps, for a variety of reasons, people may perceive the same event quite differently. I do hope she gets the help she needs to get through this situation. And for the sake of both of these young people and the community as a whole, I hope we can all focus our attention on moving forward.

kitamike

DPotter is absolutely on target here. Thank you for common sense. Let's move on!

history

#Remmy372 Link as referenced in previous post.

http://www.oregoncriminalattorney.com/Criminal-Defense-Overview/Innocent-V-Not-Guilty.shtml

Remmy372

I have read this. You must understand that my response is to the overwhelming number of people on this forum that, by their own words, evidently believe that there are 3 verdicts. Guilty, not guilty and innocent. But since we are talking about links here is one by a Montana attorney and specific to this case.

http://www.politicalmontana.com/?p=936

history

@ remmy 372 Link as referenced in previous post..

history

@ remmy 372: Here is some information you were requesting about he "distinct differences" on the concept of not guilty vs innocent. The link was provided by another poster, but just in case you missed it you can reference it here. Do take the time to read it since you were requesting the information directly. It may help clarify the principle factually from the legal perspective. And if you need more information on the concept you can google them as easily as you can find the Missoulian comment board.

Again, thank you @ Fawzhau the professional information and for your educated and unemotional response.

Remmy372

I did not request any info, but thanks. I was instead refering to someone else's post that refered to their being a distinct difference. Since the jury is not allowed to make that difference I am curios how anyone that is not privy to the same information that the jury is can make it. And you can post all of the links that you like, does not mean I have to agree or you have to agree. Here is a link to support my position, from a Montana lawyer and specific to this case. And you are right it only took about 10 seconds on Google.
http://www.politicalmontana.com/?p=936

boB6913

Please read DPotter's comment. AGAIN!

Rafftang

Jack: might I suggest a long cold water shower to help get past all the sexist cretins and low life football fans. Oh what misery you must be experiencing. Please take a deep breath , continue to stare at your navel and sing a couple verses of "I Shall Overcome" Be Well!

history

It certainly appears that people should take the example of the 20 year old here and Move On. Nothing more is going to be won or lost on this website. And the format does not change minds. Rather, it appears to bring out the worst in people. Mr. Johnson is choosing a better alternative.

DPotter

I am dismayed by the black and white thinking displayed in these comments. It is entirely possible that both Johnson and his accuser are decent people who have an entirely different perspective on what occurred that night and to some extent are both correct and both culpable. The absolute truth may well reside somewhere in the muddy middle where none of us have access. In our judicial system doubt falls in favor of the accused and without any hard data to prove otherwise the jury made the only choice it could. I would hope that the take away from this sad debacle would be increased awareness on the part of young people to be absolutely clear when setting the boundaries for relationships.

Bittersweet
Bittersweet

True. An interesting persepctive and you may very well be right.

detonate

interesting post...

stopthewaste

Hey Jacksommersby88...You and the alleged victim should go see a shrink together. Clearly you both have more issues than all of Warm Springs combined. Who knows...You might even get a couples discount:) Don't get to close though. You could end up in a courtroom if you don't snuggle after a "session"

jacksommersby88

And if it were up to you, the 'ol running-back rapist Donaldson would've never been in a courtroom -- out on the football field instead, of course!

MMIN

I approached this trial not knowing whether Johnson was guilty or not. I left firmly believing he is innocent--and yes, I do mean innocent. I'm willing to bet that anyone thinking otherwise did not see the trial in its entirety or entered the process already believing that he was guilty. A not guilty verdict barely two hours after the conclusion of a three-week court proceeding is as close to an innocent verdict as we'll see in our system. If the trial itself isn't enough to convince you, go back and look at video of the verdict's announcement. Johnson's reaction was not that of a guilty man.

This acquittal had nothing to do with Johnson being a football player. The jury--a majority of which consisted of women--listened to both sides and reached their decision. And I believe justice was served. Any attorney will tell you it's a risky move to have the defendant take the stand in a criminal trial. Johnson didn't have to, but he did because he wanted everyone to hear his side of the story. Frankly, he was probably the most credible of all who testified. He has shown great strength and character throughout this entire process--a process which, honestly, seems to have blatantly unfair to him at times. He has earned the right to hold his head high. He has not run from anything and I don't expect him to start to now. I don't believe that's the kind of man he is. He has my full support returning to the Grizzly football team.

Rape is a horrible thing. None of this is intended to downplay the very real problem of sexual assault or bash the accuser in this case. I do hope she gets the help she needs to deal with the situation. But I'm not sure a demonstration on the bridge, however well-intentioned, is it. The best thing we can do to help these young people and the community heal from this situation is to move forward.

Mazola

Welcome back Jordan Johnson!!!

Bittersweet
Bittersweet

US District Judge Dana Christenson (June 2012) regarding Johnson and how University handled situation before charges were officially filed..... “From a normative perspective, the process applied to Plaintiff Doe and the behavior of university officials in investigating and prosecuting this matter offends the court’s sense of fundamental fairness and appears to fall short of the minimal moral obligation of any tribunal to respect the rights and dignity of the accused."

..........
The judge also left open the possibility of future legal challenges....

“Today’s ruling is not a finding that the process employed by the University in this case is immune from legal challenge,” he wrote.

jacksommersby88

For those who’re glad Johnson’s been reinstated, power to you. Since he was found not-guilty, hey, as far as I’m concerned he deserves it. What cracks me up, though, are you ultra-rabid Johnson rah-rah supporters who’re sadly overlooking one very basic thing: if any of you were accused of rape, do you seriously think Johnson would even expend so much as a single solitary second giving a hoot? He’s a frigging college football player, people, not someone whose quest it is to end world hunger or achieve world peace. And he’s no more important a student at the university than a science or English or history or sociology or philosophy major. And I hate to break it to you, but there are many students who wouldn’t give him the time of day, just like he wouldn’t give many students there the time of day -- in a way, I think Johnson is a whole lot more well-adjusted than you people are! Especially you non-college-age, the-pigskin-is-sacred simpletons with no real lives of your own who pathetically live through the university’s football players because you don’t have anything better in life (who are depressed for days because ‘dem Grizzlies didn’t win that almighty game; thank goodness there are plenty of Missoulians who care about other things!), who think a football player is of a higher stature -- which explains the groans and moans when ex-running-back Beau Donaldson was sentenced to prison for the appalling crime of rape: there should’ve been elation at getting a monster like that off the streets of Missoula and out of the hallways of campus, along with the rape victim seeing justice done; sadly (and amorally), the reaction instead from you people was, “Gosh darnit, this’ll hurt the team’s chances next year!” (Oh, and for those wanting to donate to pay for Johnson’s defense costs, ask yourselves if he’d be donating to defray your defense costs. We both know the answer to that one, don’t we? Besides, with him back on the team, I wouldn’t count out the boosters -- who, in many people’s view, are about on the same scuzzy level as lobbyists -- helping out with that.) Get some proper perspective, people. And kudos to the Justice Department and NCAA for instigating investigations into the university if there are in fact improvements that need to be made in the reporting of and following up on of rape allegations. Some will aver that because of Johnson’s acquittal there isn’t a problem; then again, those same people conveniently overlook Donaldson doing ten years in the clinker for something other than opening a lemonade stand without a business license. And for those who claim “libtard feminists” were the reason behind Johnson being charged and brought to trial even though he was found not-guilty, then, by this co-called “logic,” I guess sexist Neanderthal cretins were behind the steadfast defending of the rapist Donaldson! And for those very same who claim Johnson’s acquittal proves there’s not a problem with rape associated with the university’s students, then I guess Donaldson proves that there is a problem with rape associated with the university’s students. The pendulum swings both ways, doesn’t it? Get a life!

dave ajou
dave ajou

Please don't feed the bears. Or trolls. Thank you.

Justice floral

I 2nd that!

grizcountry

Cool story bro! Get a life!

jacksommersby88

You, too!

SDBOY

Jack
You sound like the one who needs to get a life. You are good at categorizing everyone. To me you sound like one of those University types who went from the back of the classroom to the front. However,you have never accomplished any thing in your life,never signed a check to pay a salary,started a business,sweated over the bills,paid taxes or contributed in any real way to society. You sound like one of the takers not problem solvers. Does any of that fit.
You see I am one of those who pays for your existence,I happen to enjoy the escape from the daily grind to enjoy watching Griz sports. Men have the same protection as women in the legal system. In this case 12 of Mr. Johnson's fellow citizens voted 100% in his favor,he was found innocent, this restores him to the same position he had before the charges.
Jack,I do have a job that I think you can do. Why don't you carry the University Presidents bag out of town

jacksommersby88

-- "You sound like the one who needs to get a life." --

Yet you're spending your time posting here same as me!

-- "You are good at categorizing everyone." --

And so are many of those here -- "libtards" and "feminazis"!

-- "To me you sound like one of those University types who went from the back of the classroom to the front." --

I thought you were gainst categorizing? And I liked the back -- at the university I went to, they let you smoke cigs in the back where there was an open window.

-- "However,you have never accomplished any thing in your life" --

And this is based on.....?

-- "never signed a check to pay a salary" --

Hmmmm, so a business owner is superior to a non-business owner? Actually, I think the low-tier workers at Wal-Mart are far superior to the poverty-wage-paying Wal-Mart Walton clad who had everything given to them by daddy.

-- "started a business" --

Well, your Republican-voting self probably loved 'ol war criminal Bush, whose two oil companies went belly-up!

-- "sweated over the bills" --

Not really, because I've never been materialistic, thank you very much. Whether it's a used car or computer or whatever, I've always paid the whole freight right then and there.

-- "paid taxes" --

Hmmm, and those payroll taxes taken out of my paychecks were taken out by, Santa Claus?

-- "or contributed in any real way to society." --

You mean unlike, uh, college football players? And I've worked for the federal government helping 9/11 and Katrina victims on three proud tours. I know that's not as noble as throwing a pigskin...

-- "You sound like one of the takers" --

Based on...?

-- "not problem solvers." --

And what problems have you solved of importance? Wow us!

-- "Does any of that fit." --

Uh, no, it doesn't. But thanks for your attempt at categorization that you're supposedly against!

-- "You see I am one of those who pays for your existence" --

In your dreams -- and my nightmare.

-- "I happen to enjoy the escape from the daily grind to enjoy watching Griz sports." --

Good for you. But I wasn't referring to those who "enjoy watching" but obsessing. Big difference. You know, the ones who were depressed more by a Grizzy loss than all the Americans dead from Hurricane Katrina.

-- "Men have the same protection as women in the legal system. In this case 12 of Mr. Johnson's fellow citizens voted 100% in his favor,he was found innocent, this restores him to the same position he had before the charges." --

And where in my above post did I beg to differ on all that?

-- "Jack,I do have a job that I think you can do. Why don't you carry the University Presidents bag out of town" --

It's interesting -- when war criminal Bush was in office, people like you said if you criticize Bush than you must hate the country. Yet, hmmmmm, you criticize the president of the university yet you don't hate the university? Oh, and I've got a job you'll do for free -- kowtowing to the scummy football boosters and offering to park their cars.

msladon

We've heard Jackie insisting there are folks behind Donaldson. In the week she's been on the Donaldson=Johnson kick no one has come forward in support of Donaldson's actions. The mentality that has Jackie's panties in a bundle may exist in her mind but, I've yet to see it in this community. Jackie girl has an axe to grind. She had a dog in the race and her dog came up lame in more ways than one and it really irks her.
Jackie tries to paint this picture with her broad brush but it sadly comes back as an abstract that only she and some misinformed naysayers seems to view. What Jackie wants is for the entire world to view things through her glasses regardless of the evidence presented, sadly she seems to have the wrong prescription.
"War Criminal Bush", "Scummy football bosters", the remark about the hurricane Katrina,,,, very childish and selfserving in my opinion.
College football players are usually under the age of majority until about their senior year but, because they are football players Jackie thinks they are to be what, more adult? Nice try but, we're still talking about kids for the most part. Kids make mistakes, forgiveness is noble. The "string 'em up it'll teach 'em a lesson" attitude she brings to each post isn't about being adult or forgiveness; its about revenge and instigating discourse and maybe some attention grabbing herself.

Justice floral

First of all, we did not sensationalize this story, the media did. If you are accusing us of not have a life for sake of posting and supporting on this website, what does that say about you? If you accuse us, (me) of not having a life for sake of football, I just need to let you know, I love going to watch my son play. I love going to watch him play with his friends. I get great enjoyment of the dinner gatherings we have together and the opportunity to bond with his friends and teammates, which I now have the pleasure of calling them my friends also. You don't know Jordan. I do. In fact you probably don't know any of them... guess what, I do. There are many fine men on that team.
If supporting my son and being actively and pationately involved with with Grizzly Football.... as you state means not having a life, you're crazy. I wouldn't trade it. My life is great... yours on the otherhand sounds rather disturbed.

jacksommersby88

I'm a native Texan, and there ain't a Texan alive who doesn't like football. And I didn't write that there aren't decent men on the Grizz team; in fact, since Johnson was found not-guilty, then I guess he's decent, too. But for those who, if they had to choose, Donaldson not getting jail time and continuing to play on the team, or getting sentenced for the rapist he is and not playing on the team -- a lot of people posting here would choose the first one, wouldn't they? Those are the people I'm talking about; if you're not one of these, then you're A-OK in my book.

Justice floral

I haven't heard anybody speaking out in favor of Donaldson. I don't know where you are getting this from. He has nothing to do with the JJ situation. As far as I can tell, you're the only one bring this into the argument. I don't think you could find the most diehard grizzly fan that would be ok with rape in trade for a player. That is not the issue. Donaldson is getting what he deserves. If fact, he confessed to it.
However this has nothing to do with JJ, so drop it.
The facts are the facts, so accept it. Not Guilty... Which absolutely, 100% means Innocent.

Bass Whacker

Hey Jack. Go get an old Van Halen CD. Put on "Jamie's Crying" and actually listen to the lyrics. This story is as old as mankind.

detonate

Really Jack...? You don't believe any of this and certainly you haven't convinced anyone either. Tell you what...I'll buy you a ticket to the August 31, 2013 Grizzly football game at Washington-Grizzly Stadium. You can give up cultivating the African Saturniidae Moth in your basement... just look at it as cultural expansion, or gardening your mind...Z.

Stan Reck
Stan Reck

Has anyone seen that picture going around on Facebook that shows the Missoulian stating Jordan is not guilty and underneath is a hand scrawled message on notebook paper stating "We are all Jane Doe"? Well, let me say to those out there that believe this, you don't represent me, nor do you represent my family. It is sick that you can't respect what a jury of Mr. Johnson's peers concluded. In my opinion, Jane Doe was a liar and was pressured into this frivolous case due to the DOJ investigation. Convict someone....ANYONE....was the call of the prosecution. To those of you who are saying you won't go to a Grizzly game because Mr. Johnson is back on the team.....please post your email or telephone number so your tickets can go to deserving fans. You know darned good and well that the first game is going to be packed, and packed for one reason alone....to support Mr. Johnson. You femanazis will just have to accept facts that a majority of Missoula disagrees with you. Get over it. Admit you were wrong and that Jane Doe lied then move on with your lives. We are all Jane Doe?....hardly. I don't falsely accuse someone of something with the intent of ruining their lives. See everyone at the game, it is going to be a sold-out crowd. You know it to be true.

jacksommersby88

-- "You femanazis will just have to accept facts that a majority of Missoula disagrees with you." --

Since when was every single Missoulian polled so as to support your "a majority of Missoula" claim, sexistnazi?

Stan Reck
Stan Reck

Well, 12 representatives of the Missoula community were polled and they came back unanimously. Obviously that isn't good enough for you. I tell you what, let's just say that the opening game will tell whether a majority of Missoulian's agree with you and your ilk. If they do, the stands will be empty and I'll be happy to eat crow all day long. If they are full, you can pick feathers from your teeth. A crowd of 26K will surely be a good representation since you don't respect a mere 12. Sexistnazi....very humorous coming from someone who can't face reality.

jacksommersby88

Uh, I think you're the one who doesn't face reality! Averring that 12 people constitute a "majority of Missoula"! Too funny!

msladon

jackie forgets the jury is selected by both sides before trial. perhaps jackie thinks this should have been settled by a write in vote?

MTBizeeBee

Thank you!! I too was appauled by that facebook page...as a woman and mother, had nothing to do with being a Griz fan. We are all NOT Jane Doe!

Justice floral

Our system says "innocent until proven guilty". Jordan was never proven guilty. Therefore he is proven Innocent.
Our county attorney and many of you commenting on this site, what are you trying to compensate for. Your statements of "Not Guilty does not prove innocent" are 100% false. If he was not proven guilty, he has been innocent from the get go. Facts are facts, yet you haven't been able to accept that. A wise man once told be you cannot argue stupid with logic.

Greenland

Seven women voted in something like record time for a major case to acquit Jordan Johnson of the false rape charges against him.

They did not do so because they believed the accuser. They did so because they believed Jordan Johnson.

The efforts by some to paint the verdict instead of a nuanced indictment of Johnson that just didn't quite reach maturation just isn't true. That was a fast verdict and seven women were unanimous about it.

Fawzhuh

That is incorrect. Seven women AND five men voted unanimously. Which, by the way, has absolutely no significance as anything less would have resulted in a hung jury. The majority vote by the jury does not apply here. Also, it is very clear from the direct quote of one of the female jurors mentioned by name, that they did have some difficulty arriving at their final decision. Please take the time to review this short article by a criminal defense attorney : http://www.oregoncriminalattorney.com/Criminal-Defense-Overview/Innocent-V-Not-Guilty.shtml. It should help to put things in a better perspective. There has been concern voiced for the young woman in this case and I believe there is some validity in that concern. I am more concerned about the message that Mr, Johnson could receive here. I am hoping that his defense counsel has explained the significance of innocent versus not guilty to him. If I were to offer anything to him it would be; "Jordan, you have been through a public hell this last year and, if my impression of you is correct, based on your public conduct this last year, you have put yourself through a private hell as well. This verdict is the "crack in the dam" and if you continue to conduct yourself with the courage, character, and conviction you have displayed so far you can, and most probably will, break it down."

Greenland

Yes, but people like you inevitably conclude that "men are pigs," and so to placate people exactly like you, I only counted the women members of the jury who had no reason to support your twisted agenda, but had every reason to make an honest decision, and they made it quite quickly.

The "fact" is, a young lady with a history of vengence-seeking went on record with her own texts as exulting in the fact that "he won't know what hit him," and that "she didn't think he did anything wrong" -- two internally consistent statements that had as much to do with the outcome of this case as anything possibly could have, although I am sure that her use of "smiley faces" was only incidental to her claimed trauma and the Jury's perception of those claims.

Fawzhuh

I am truly sorry that you didn’t trouble yourself to read beyond my first sentence because I deigned to question your rapier intellect and scintillating, insightful commentary. Oh, to live in your world where one needn’t be troubled by the confusion of being presented with “the facts”. I would like to thank you for issuing me an agenda as I was unaware that I had advanced one. They’re not just for day planners anymore, are they? Oh, and one final note, I’m one of the “pigs”!

Remmy372

You realize, of course, that it would have been impossible for the jury to vote "innocent" as that is not an option to them right. And by voting "not guilty" they didn't, despite the musings of FVV say he is guilty despite the best efforts of the prosecution. NO, indeed in this country a jury can either vote "guilty" or "not guilty" and there is no "innocent". It is thrust upon the prosecution, in any case not just this one, to PROVE THE DEFENDANT guilty, not vice versa. They did not, and as the basic idea that someone is innocent UNTIL they are prove guilty AND give he was found NOT GUILTY, Jordan is therefore innocent. No matter how much many of you are CONSUMED with getting vengeance for some perceived wrong and NOT with what the truth, or what the justice system in this country says.

Fawzhuh

I most certainly do realize, which, if you had troubled to use the link I provided and read the article it would be unnecessary to ask. To illustrate, please find included below the first sentence of that article.
Juries never find defendants innocent. They cannot. Not only is it not their job, it is not within their power. They can only find them "not guilty."

Remmy372

http://www.politicalmontana.com/?p=936

Fawzhuh


Thank you for providing this. He makes a number of good points as does the attorney in the article I mentioned. I would like to state, for clarification, the viewpoint I have adopted is not based on some nefarious agenda. I simply feel that Mr. Duvall made the more compelling and credible argument.

history

Fawzhuh: Thank you for providing this information . http://www.oregoncriminalattorney.com/Criminal-Defense-Overview/Innocent-V-Not-Guilty.shtml. .

It has been very difficult for many on this post to understand this very basic concept. Unfortunately, accurate information as it pertains to the law, is not important if it challenges a point of view. And resorting to the misuse of legal meanings and personal attacks has become the priority in a defense. Thank you for unemotional information.


Remmy372

I am going to explain this once because some of you seem to believe that a jury can find someone innocent. When a jury returns a verdict they can either return a finding of "guilty" or "not guilty". They CANNOT find someone "innocent" as that is NOT one of the choices. Guilty or not guilty that is it. SO all of you on here spouting that he was found "not guilty" and that isn't the same as innocent and there is a difference really need to quit, as you obviously have no clue what you are talking about.

DooGooder

A Not Guilty verdict does NOT mean Jordan Johnson was found INNOCENT of committing a crime. It simply means that the jury felt that there was enough reasonable doubt not convict him. There is a VERY big difference. For UM to be so gung-ho about reinstating a person with even a hint of such grievous moral impropriety in their past as the poster boy for athletic leadership is utterly outrageous. He will be booed in every stadium he plays in for the rest of his short and mediocre career and UM's previously good reputation has been severely tainted by him. He should do the right thing and transfer elsewhere. But who would take him now?

MTBizeeBee

Yes actually it does; Innocent until proven guilty, he was not proven guilty (NOT GUILTY) therefore he is innocent. He remains innocent until anyone can prove otherwise, the prosecution was unable to do so. And UM will take him, sounded like MT state would too and I bet Pflugrad over at Weber state would take him. I'll be there every game this coming season cheering him and the rest of the team on along with 10,000+ other fans.

Love's Life

Jordan Johnson was the victim in all of this as far as I can see, I too will be in the stadium giving Jordan Johnson a standing ovation for having the strength to stand for innocense and for having the drive to return to the team he should have never been suspended from! Way to go Jordy you deserve to be happy! You have tons of supporters, not because you played for the Grizzlies but because people believed in you and the truth.

DooGooder

10,000+ is less than half of the stadium's total capacity. Wonder how many of the other 15,000 seats will have anyone in sitting in them?

You must be high

I will be there. I would be if Jordan had been acquitted or not.
But, now that justice has been served, I will applaud the young man for standing up and defending the truth.
Can't wait to hear the crowd.
I'd guess DooGooder won't be there, but will be able to hear the cheers from across town.

MTBizeeBee

You're right, sorry I should have stopped and researched seating capacity before making that statement. Let me rephrase: I'll be there every game this coming season cheering him, and the rest of the team, on along with 23,000+ other fans (I reduced it a smidge to accomodate visitng fans. That sounds even better!

Justice floral

Me and my family will be there for sure... you can count on that.

Justice floral

To all the plantiff advocates. Do this for me please. Post a list of the facts that support your decision. I bet I can post a list that she, the plantiff counters that argument with her own stated, posted, texted lies.

Aberdeen

Show up at the Appy State game and see what kind of response JJ gets when he comes out of the tunnel!

Justice floral

Hey Doonothing, if he was found guilty would you have said it doesn't mean he did it. You will obviously be surprised when the far majority that are actually aware of the facts show great support for JJ. You are not willing to look at the facts and recognize that there is no evidence. That there are actually false accusations made not only in this case, but in many others as some statistician pointed out in these posts. You are siding with a very disturbed young girl that was caught in countless lies.

Remmy372

That is a very interesting take on the basic premise of the justice system in this country that ALL are considered innocent until proven guilty. Not Not guilty until proven innocent. When a jury comes back they can either say "guilty" or "not guilty" there is no finding of "innocent" or "could be" or "we think he did it but you didn't prove it". Nope, just "guilty" or "not guilty". SO as he was found "not guilty", that would mean that he was not proven guilty, THAN we can come back to the premise...innocent until proven guilty, i.e. he is innocent

sportscaster

This type of thinking shows extreme naivete and intolerance. Jordan Johnson gave his testimony on what happened on the night in question and people like you simply believe the ALLEGED victim and not him. Why should he run and hide if he knows he didn't commit the crime he was charged with. You are right about one thing: it will follow him the rest of his life. But this all-out acceptance that a woman would never lie is not only stupid, it's just plain silly.

You must be high

Jordan is INNOCENT, until proven guilty.
Until you can prove some guilt. There is no hint of grievous moral impropriety.
There is, however, some hint of grievous moral impropriety, on the part of the "alleged" victim. This is a VERY big difference.

Aberdeen

I guess I misread all them books while in school: they must have said "not guilty until proven guilty in a court of law". I always thought it said "innocent" rathet than "not guilty". Guees my reading was bad?

JMontana

So you're basically saying, either he gets convicted in a courtroom, or he remains guilty in your own mind but let off for other reasons. That's win/win for you, fantastic way of thinking! Of course there are then the facts you have to consider, and those FACTS point towards a "not guilty" verdict. I'm pretty sure if those 12 people had heard all the facts and agreed in a record setting short time frame that he shouldn't go to jail, they are either right? Or you have 12 of the worst people in the world, it's one or the other... but think whatever you like. Nothing is tainted, especially Johnson's reputation. He was WRONGFULLY accused of rape, and he suffered through the system, and although the deck was stacked against him, he came out with a chance to re-claim his life. Prediction, Jordan and the Griz have a fantastic year, and he doesn't get boooed one time in WSG by more than a two person group with an agenda....

Bass Whacker

The people defending this woman now are doing her a disservice for life. If the trial showed anything, it was that in her peronsal life, this girl created her own false reality about unhappy or unpleasant events. She got on the stand and testified she was bullied in her youth, was the rock of her family, was the mother of her family, all fabrications. When, unlike SARC her asst Dean, her family and friends family who knew of her history of dramatics and exaggerations didn't believe her, she fabricated a story about Mr. Johnson beiing accused of this in the past. Most notable, when confronted with these lies and given the opportunity to admit to the fabrications on the stand, she would not relent and agree these were lies. That is her primary goblin, unwillingness to accept truth over her manufactured reality. Based on her history that establishes who she is, there is no reason to believe her version of what happended that night, and providing defense to her at this point can only be done out of emotion, not rational thought, and will only help lock this girl into a deeper hold on her "pathology". Supporters of this girl who do so publicly are damaging this girl far more than they will ever realize. She needs help, not misguided public sympathy and support of a false claim.

Turtlegirl

my thoughts exactly

You must be high

Agreed.

msladon

very well put

montanaduck

Couldn't have said it better myself!

familytruckster

Your comments are always spot on, Bass Whacker!

loveymama

My thoughts and prayers go out to the victim and her family right now. This woman was so brave to come forward and take on an entire community as well as a well established good ole boy athletic regime. Please join us at the Higgins bridge at 6 pm tonight to honor this woman's strength and bravery and to give all victims of sexual violence the message that they are not alone.

Turtlegirl

Your opinion is noted, but let it also be noted that if "this woman came forward to take on an entire community as well as a well established gold ole boy athletic regime" as you stated ,she is far, far off track. IF she came forward to stop an alleged rapist from getting away with committing a crime against her that would be something to be commended for. Sexual assault against women truly can result in a devastatingly emotional scar in which a woman should have the utmost support. I do not see how honoring a woman's strength and bravery for taking on an entire community as well as an established good ole boy athletic regime would be in anyway supportive of this type of emotional pain.

Justice floral

she should be admitted for psychiatric counseling. You should support her in that.

dave ajou
dave ajou

she does support her in that, so do I

Turtlegirl

my point exactly justice floral, feeding the beast of attention does nothing to help this poor girl heal, from whatever ill's she has. By mtbizeebee stating that people should gather to support her for coming forward to take on an entire community as well as a well established good ole boy athletic regime, is so counter productive, its a disgrace to true victims everywhere. It also points fingers at some of their agendas. Instead of providing healing, their stating that she/they took on the football team smacks of a blind sightedness that helps no one!

MTBizeeBee

are you KIDDING me? Anyone else want to join me on Higgins bridge tonight at 6pm to support the wrongfully accused and acquitted? I applaud your support of victms of violence but open your eyes, this woman lied, she was caught in her lies, and to "honor" that is a spit in the face to ACTUAL victims. Its women like her who are going to make true victims question whether or not they should face their accusers. Ever hear the story of the little boy who cried wolf?

You must be high

Exactly.
To be true, .... The "alleged" victim was pushed to trial, by her "advocates".
The Nurse, The Counselor. The Professor. The Detective. All four women, with an agenda against the Grizzly football team. I too (almost) feel sorry for the "alleged" victim. Her little lie snowballed so fast, she just couldn't find a way out. But when actually questioned, in court, the whole thing simply fell apart. And Justice was served.

Remmy372

This is the most honest thing reported on the Missoulian website ever.

Love's Life

I for one would love to come out to the higgins bridge and support THE WRONGLY ACCUSED! I am in full support of anyone that has been a victim of violence but this women only hurts that cause.

Justice floral

she is not a victim... she is merely a plantiff who lost. the true victim is Jordan Johnson and his family. All of you that show up tonight must obviously have some deep rooted painfull past of your own. This was not your retrial.

JohnR

This is not all rape cases. This is one rape case.

Taking a stance against sexual violence does not mean blindly passing judgment on every accused. This is lynch mob behavior, plain and simple. You must admit it is possible he didn’t do this... And if that is true --how tragic to further damage his already tarnished life.

Continuing to imply Johnson is a rapist is an insult to our judicial system – and thus to every victim of domestic violence whose case was validated by this system. You cannot accept that guilty verdicts in this system are valid unless you accept that not guilty verdicts are also valid.

Montana Chic

Strenght and Bravery? Really? For LIEING and making an IDIOT out of herself maybe!Victim? NO, she's NOT! Are you a SUCKER and a FOOL? Yes You Are! Bahahahahah! Get a Life!

Ergo

Welcome back, Jordy!!

Lamplighter

Every village has an idiot. Jack Sommersby is Missoula's...

jacksommersby88

More like, every village has a king of the sexist cretins who wish ex-UM running-back rapist Donaldson were on the football team rather than prison...

JMontana

You're right lamplighter, and as hard as it is to let ignorance pass by, it obviously needs to be done here. One final note for you Jack even though this has been presented to you a number of different ways you still don't get it: Of the 100's of GRIZ fans and supporters I know and talk with, I have not heard a SINGLE TIME of any one of them supporting Donaldson in any way. This is made up, false, ficticious, garbage. It's obvious how happy you are that Donaldson's life is ruined, good for you, maybe it makes you feel better. I am not happy that he committed this crime, I wish he had not, and gone on to lead a normal, happy life... It's obvious your hatred for the UM football team and their fans, but don't make assumptions about things you obviously know nothing about. EVERY Griz fan emphatically agrees, if Johnson raped a girl, he should go to jail, he did not. He is innocent. Welcome back Jordy. As we are light years away from being on the same page, I am now done discussing this topic with you Jack. Enjoy hating Griz football and finding a negative spin on anything you can, sounds like a sweet life...

montanaduck

I'm having a hard time understanding how so many people commenting on here are just absolutely positive that "she" was telling the truth and "he" is lying. Do you really think the politically motivated trial in favor of this "Alleged victim" was just a big sham, did you not pay attention to any of it? Just because someone decided she was willing to go to trial inst some sort of indicator that she is telling the truth, and she wouldn't have gone to trial it otherwise. Come on people, and all of you "Griz" haters, you all need to stop and think for a second that maybe this trial actually was legitimate. All you people with you conspiratory theories need to slow your roll and stop with the Gwen esque comments, to the logical person youseem crazy.

AARGH

OMG are you saying it wasn't a "Legitimate" rape... LOL...Be careful, the liberals will crucify you over statements like that... even though you didn't say it,,, they will make is sound like you did.

Justice floral

I'm saying it... "there was no legitimacy to this alleged rape at all" "their is no credibility to anything this girl has to say at all. This was proven in court" "this was proven in depositions" "there were so many red flags that the prosecution should have given a lie detector" "she never would have past". "All you liverals need to focus on actual rapes" "she cried wolf because she didn't get what she wanted" "others took over from there, starting with the woman who examined her" "give me a break, first recommendation was a law firm in Atlanta that sues for money??" "This girl was put on a remote controll from there forward" "This wasn't her case at all" "the missoula pd and prosecuting attorney were on some agenda to make up for their mistakes of the past"
Go ahead liberals argue with that!

montanaduck

I was just saying the Trial was legit, not the accusations or the crime. My bad, I didnt quite explain that as good as i should now that i look back at it.

AARGH

AMEN! Dang... liberals hate religion too... can't say "Amen" anymore either...

msladon

this has nothing to do with politics, the left or the right. this is about as weird as it gets for me. a jury of your peers isn't selected by political preference. you insult your own intelligence with these liberal/conservative comments. this is about justice, neither political party has a monopoly on that.

Bitterrooter101

Well it's another fine day for us Grizzly fans. Welcome back Jordy!!!
And now on to Jacksommersby88. Are you still here? If you hate our town and area so much why don't you just leave. I'm sure you would get plenty of help from TRUE GRIZZLY FANS helping you pack. And either get the fog out of you sight or get a pair strong glasses when you read the paper because apparently you aren't reading the same paper as everyone else. Or maybe it's called selective reading.
Again, WELCOME BACK JORDY AND GO GRIZ

Jazzy

Justice at last for the real victim in this judicial sideshow, Jordan Johnson. A lesser man would leave, however, Johnson has nothing to hide as evidenced by his straightforward and consistent testimony at trial. Congratulations and the very best to you, Jordan!

desertrose37

Most of you people have no idea what you are talking about. Comment pages are so full of ignorance.

All I know is that for the first football season ever, I won't be rooting for the Grizzlies. What an embarrassment. Missoula should be ashamed, not proud.

Aberdeen

The pot calling the kettle "Black": you are making comments of ignorance here too!

AARGH

Why are you hating the Griz for a decision made by a jury of peers? Jordan was found NOT GUILTY! So his life should end there? Grow up! we don't want you as a Griz Fan you ignoramus.

sportscaster

No. you should be ashamed for your blind intolerance that's based on who knows what.

You must be high

I agree. Missoula should be ashamed. Ashamed of their County attorney. Ashamed of the prosecution team. Ashamed that this frivolous case was ever brought to trial. And, ashamed of Griz "fans" who would turn tail, and denounce a TEAM, because they simply don't understand what innocence is.

Remmy372

Cause you were there right? You saw the whole thing happen right? I am just curious why you didn't come forward with your first hand eye witness account BEFORE the trial and are just stepping forward now?

buffalojack
buffalojack

I don't envy Jordan Johnson the attention he's going to get or the scrutiny he's going to be under, as evidenced by the fact that this article has already now drawn 90 comments, some of them pretty heated. On the other hand, I don't envy the young woman who mistakenly thought she'd been raped by Johnson, either. I have no way of knowing the truth, and I have no quarrel with the jury verdict; I just think that, fairly or not, Jordan Johnson is going to have a tough time putting this behind him here in Missoula. I'm a Griz fan and I'll be rooting for them, and for Johnson if he's in their lineup, but I'm frankly surprised he's not choosing to transfer to a different school.

Cato

A means of measuring journalistic effectiveness would be this:

If readers were surprised by the verdict, including the unanimous vote of 7 women jurors in favor a acquittal, likely they did not get the full story as it unfolded.

There would be a reason for that.

kgb2232

It's been a few days so I forgot, it's not rape if I don't think it is? So if I'm not sure or believe she means no, it's legal and ok? It's going to be a great weekend since someone with more connections and money than me cleared all that up. I love Griz football just that much more, hell Im willing to just give them more money just because to help out in the outstanding recruiting.

Enough Already

Not all people are happy to have him back. He was found not guilty, he was not found innocent. Only two people really know what happened and now it seems that everyone on this forum claims to know what happened. I don't know what happen, but I do know this situation has been stressful for the students at the University, the residents of Missoula and embarrassing for UM, Missoula and Montana. It has further polarized the community. I wish he would go away and let everyone heal. Now we have to continue read about him in the paper. As long as he plays and remains in the media, this town will never heal.

wordrock

amen.

retiredmsla

Jordan went into court presumed to be innocent. The prosecution had the burden of falsifying the presumption of innocence. The jury unaniymously found Jordan innocent in less time than it took to order coffee. The presumption of innocence stands except for those who can neither read nor reason; this would include fat Fred.

Remmy372

THERE IS NO "INNOCENT" in a criminal jury trial. When you go to trial the jury either finds you "guilty" or "not guilty". And since in this country you are innocent until proven guilty and he was found not guilty, in other words guilt wasn't proven, he is, by definition INNOCENT. Dang I wish some of you would know what you are talking about before you come on here and spout.

Justice floral

It just shows you that the ones that can't heal are ignorrant. Maybe those are the ones that should leave. JJ has done nothing wrong and it was proven in court of law.

wordrock

Should I be surprised that after such a tough trial that things remain at "status quo" for Missoula. Let's forget that a woman was strong enough to nearly take on a town, including their beloved football team, after an evening where she said "no". Is it that gender violence is condoned and that life goes back to normal? J.J. just goes on being J.J., the football team goes on to play, and everybody is happy. Allies are in positions of power, to easily persuade an arena of fans. I feel worried for the next woman who is strong enough to tackle the "status quo". Please take care of yourselves, Missoula women.

OR_Griz

"Status Quo"? Oh, you mean the judicial system which found him not guilty by jurors who didn't buy into the same stuff you're shoveling? Who's to say she wasn't lying? Did you ever consider that? Did you actually follow the trail? "JJ goes on being JJ". Absolutely! Why not? He could've quit school and hid from people like you, but chose to continue going to class and working on his degree, all while being the talk of the country (and people who already labeled him guilty, like you). He could've left all this behind after the trial and, once again, chose to stay here, finish his degree and represent his team, all in the face of adversity. That's being a stand-up guy showing he has nothing to hide. Congrats, Jordan Johnson!

detonate

Take off the libtard glasses off and review the case. Have you read any of it ?? The jury made a quick decision. She said "no"... were you in the room ? Head back to your bridge.

msladon

To a liberal who finds the right decision as being made you sound like a Neandrathal.

KoKO

I don't understand how you could write a cruel and vicious comment like this if you paid attention to what was placed into evidence at the trial. In this country we are innocent until proven guilty, therefore, once a not guilty verdict is reached we remain innocent. By the way the woman in question never said no, she said yes all night long with a smiley face.

Roger
Roger

Sorry, but simply because a woman reports an alleged rape does not necessarily mean that it actually occurred - that's why we have courts. Too bad so many leftists prejudged the case.

msladon

Roger, stop with the stupid left and right comments. I'm on the left, Jordan was proven not guilty to sensible people. It wasn't a left or right agenda, that is completely foolish.

JacksFan1

A person comes forth with several key witnesses who can recount her personality before and after the incident, presents 29,000 text messages for evidence, and risks the public humiliation of a city of 70,000 and the college's prized quarterback, and you (OR_Griz) think she's LYING? And furthermore, the only reason the judicial system found Johnson not guilty was for the simple fact that they couldn't prove that HE didn't know what he did was wrong--to prove a case of rape, the jury must be able to conclusively prove that 1) sex occurred, 2) there was no consent, and 3) that Jordan knew there wasn't consent. The fact that a woman acted one way before the incident and acted like a completely different person immediately afterward should indicate that whether or not Jordy Football "knew" (as far as the public was concerned) it was nonconsensual, to the woman, Johnson didn't have consent.

KoKO

It was my understanding that even her roommate eye witness wasn't clear if she was actually raped based on her behavior immediately after the incident. Both of her parents contradicted her testimony on the stand. Her witnesses were not helpful to her cause, you are mistaken.

wordrock

Courts don't do justice in a case where there is a high publicity to "not offend again". No one wants J.J. to be "bad", he's the Grizzly star QB. His name will give a town a bad rap that already nationally has a bad rap, because of these exact cases. No one knows the woman accusing, most likely she left town. Unfortunately, that gives more reason to cry "I knew she was a liar", not giving any consideration that women often under report, because of court results that manipulate words, therefore turning a victim into a target. I wish there could be a better outcome that was less of an "us vs. them", but that is the issue with power and control. Women will continue to not report, because it of the length of trials and what good does it do anyway. KoKO-your words of imagery are a power play and you only make yourself unattractive. :)

Remmy372

So...since he had a trial and since he was acquitted we should just go ahead and ruin his life anyway because some of you will always believe that no woman would ever lie about being raped.

Justice floral

There you go again. choosing to believe she said no vs. all the other lies she was caught in. This was not her battle to take on a town and or football team. This was the battle of many people trying to make up for the lack of performance of their duties in the past. Let's ask, when were charges filed? When was it announced they were being investigated by the Department of Justice? When did the NCAA announce they were extending the investigation? See a motive here. The girl was just a pawn. She couldn't have got out if she wanted to. Why didn't they give her a polygraph before charges were filed?

Bittersweet
Bittersweet

The question is will Florio stay and play?

wordrock

This is just another example of "status quo" behavior. Let's pretend nothing happened. A woman confronted an entire town when she reported this. Her response from the "town" was "gender violence is legit, move on". I feel desperately sad for any woman who decides to take this on again. It appears the Powers of persuasion come from many arenas of interest.

dave ajou
dave ajou

Obviously the same group of "advocates" who violated professional ethics and boundaries repeatedly are going to stop at nothing to further their agenda. The town should "heal" by having an acquited individual be railroaded out of town, and the accuser ascends her pedestal, that kind of healing ? This town has not only publicly denounced violence against women, it has gone to the extraordinary measure of implementing a police department protocol that supercedes the presumption of innocence, and requires that a sexual assault complaint be presumed true and factual, without the due diligence to substantiate the claim. What the "activists" want, and will get, in their "stop the gender violence is legit" movement is notoriety and money. They have their notoriety, and rest assured the ink is already dry on the grant proposals to funnel tens of thousands, if not hundreds of thousands of dollars to the movement to pay for consultants, and conferences, and slogans, and salaries and a slew of non-profit entities to continue the fight against "gender violence". There is a big difference between demanding justice for women who are victims of violence, which we all would agree on, and the man-hating that manifests itself in a roar of approval at a conference where a frenzied announcement is made that two men just lost their jobs, presumably a victory for women's rights. I feel desperately sad for any man who wanders into this meat grinder.

Vegasfan

Amen brother!

Thinkin Conservative

Just because he was acquitted by a jury of his peers doesn't mean he is innocent. Obviously the prosecution did not present a very strong case. I wish he would pack his bags and leave Missoula and Montana. No woman would put herself through this kind of hell if she was not raped! Don't be so naïve all you JJ lovers. UM doesn't need this kind of individual representing the Griz.

Pistol

Your wrong one woman did put herself through a trial. Problem she had was her own mother testified that she lied under oath. In a he said, she said trial, once one of them was caught in a lie, trial over.

You must be high

Ehinkin, ... in this country we are innocent until proven guilty by a jury of our peers. Jordan was charged, and tried in front of a jury of his peers.
He was found "not guilty" by that jury.
So, .... He is innocent of the charge. Simple as that.
If you are the conservative you claim to be, you would understand that.

Remmy372

Uh...seriously? You truly believe no woman has ever lied about being raped? I have some land in Moiese I'd like to sell if your interested...has buffalo on it and everything.

dave ajou
dave ajou

Tawana Brawley, there's one so I guess that theory is shot.

MartinGuerre

Jacksommersby...I knew I had heard that before. Interestingly, the moniker that you chose belongs to a character that purports to be someone he is not. The real (fictional) Jack Sommersby was an abusive husband. If in fact, you claim to be Jack Sommersby, then I can only assume you mean the imposter. Therefore, if we were to take you at your word, would we be dupped into your accepting your false claims. I for one, do not believe you. I, in fact, support the truth which has been reported in a court of law.

history

And what does this comment have to do with the article? Is this on-line format intended to be a venue for personally bashing individuals with different points of view? I didn't think so.

dave ajou
dave ajou

It has everything to do with the article by pointing out a troll who has constantly baited posters chooses a screen name of a man who perpetrates a fraud on a woman. Ironic isn't it ? Here's the real question, why would anyone volunteer to pack water for a troll ?

history

Again, personal attacks have nothing to do with the article. Those that feel threatened by a different point of view make personal attacks, rather than rational dialogue, and those attacks have nothing to do with the content of the article. Jack opinion seems to threaten the opinion of a certain faction of individuals out there, and its pretty amusing to see people get so worked up about it.

dave ajou
dave ajou

Quote the personal attack, or the personal bashing. It's plain to see there is nothing there. Again, why would anyone want to pack water for a troll ? Because trolls run in packs.

Bittersweet
Bittersweet

jacksome88 said...."The reporter covering the trial wrote nothing but FACTS yet you people spew this hatred on her, why? Because she actually covered both sides of the story rather than just the one side you favored?"

......
I think I just threw up a little in the back of my mouth.

jacksommersby88

...over your inability at being able to cite examples backing up the claim?

Pistol

I am sure Jordan is getting a lot of pressure from teammates and boosters to play this fall for the Griz. If he reads the comments written on this page and stays he is nuts. Go where you can finish school, and play football without hecklers, and people throwing the alleged rape in your face. You've gone through enough, and so has your family. You have nothing to prove by staying. If you owe anyone besides your family, and lawyers it's Pflugrad. His sticking up for you cost him his job, and I'm sure he wold love to coach you again. I would love for selfish reason quarterbacking the Griz, but what is best for you is what is important.

Bittersweet
Bittersweet

It's not like Jordan could transfer to another school and no one would know what he had to go through. I read articles online in UK papers for C**** sake. MSN homepage, Good Morning America. My thoughts were if he was guilty he would have dropped out of classes once accused, not taken the stand during the trial, left town as soon as the trial was over and never looked back. I don't believe that is the kind of person he is. He has nothing to hide.

Missoula Mom

Thank God Mr. Johnson has been exonorated of this false accustation. What a rough year it must have been. I wish best nothing but the best for him, his family and all involved. I feel it was actually now a positive that the trial was played out publicly so that all could see the truth. Mr. Johnson could of left school, left town, even left the country. He did none of those things...and even made his voice heard in a court of law...not the actions of someone who is guilty, but that of an innocent man. May God bless Mr. Johnson and his family and friends who continued to support him through this most horrific ordeal.

Justice floral

Some of you ask, will JJ stay and play... some suggest he should leave... Mark my words, JJ will stay and play. He has nothing to run from. Yeah, there are the nay sayers and the small percentage that had him convicted before this ever went to trial. However, he stood by his word, never lied, hung in there with amazing integrity and courage, and was found not guilty by unanimous decision. A man like that won't run from anything. He will stand by his friends, teammates and fans, just as they stood by him. He will run out of that tunnel with his head held high and will not waver. I for one get goose bumps and cannot wait until fall. The roar of the crowd when JJ hits the field will be like no other.

stopthewaste

Jack, you clearly have issues. Maybe you were bullied by jocks in high school, maybe you got cut time and time again from your sports teams or maybe you are just a very unhappy person. You have been grasping at straws for a long time now. You may not realize how silly you sound and I have a hard time believing you believe half the garbage you write. I think your "try and get a reaction guy"....Your the guy who will take the opposite stand as anybody else just to be devils advocate. Grow up Jack!! Listen, this poor kid had the deck stacked against him from day one. He knew he was innocent, his family knew he was innocent and anyone who paid attention to facts (not Gwen's opinion..) know this kid is innocent. You lost Jack...It's over. You need to go find something else to whine about. Give Gwen a call and you guys can go have coffee and come up with some new things to be angry about. Maybe protest athletes getting full ride scholorships or something along those lines. In any case, its time to let it go jack.

Curmudgeon

As it was in the beginning, is now, and ever shall be: if you're a football jock in MT, you're ENTITLED to anything (or anyone) you want..

griznationbaby

Two words. Not Guilty. Yes false accusations do happen from time to time, hard to believe someone can actually lie about a crime for some. I suggest you read to kill a mocking bird might open your eyes a bit.

You must be high

If a fair trial by a jury of one's peers is an ENTITLEMENT, then I'm all for ENTITLEMENTS.

Kenny Kaniff

What you are ENTITLED to is the same justice as any other person in society, and you are absolutely ENTITLED to be exonerated when falsely accused.

Pistol

Really!? Elaborate on that statement. They are under more of a microscope than the general student body. The biggest contradicition for an athlete is they are critized for being put on a pedestal, but that pedestal goes both ways.

GrizFan2013

I've certainly seen football players who have behaved like jerks. I'll give you that. And I'm sure you can find some instance where thought football players received entitlement. That's fine. But don't go applying any of those stereotypes to Jordan Johnson. He just spent a year dealing with accusations, formal charges and a full trial for a crime that threatened to put him in jail for many years of his life. He did all of this while continuing his schoolwork at the U of M, obeying all the requirements of our legal system, and watching his name drug through the mud every day in the press. When all of the evidence was finally brought out in the open, he was found NOT GUILTY by a jury of his peers. That's not a case of entitlement, as you put it, that is a case of our legal system running its course and making the just ruling, based on facts. That's the same legal system that would apply to you, to me, or Jordan Johnson. Be happy for the man, he faced his accusers and was found innocent of any crime.

Bballfan33

People!! You can't argue with idiots!! Ignore Jack and he/she will just go away.

Barakn

I wonder if residual guilt will affect his play?

Aberdeen

Guilt of what? Having a few beers before he was 21? Guilt of having consensual sex with a female who was over 18? This is UM, not BYU.

UMalumnus

Guilt for what. He was acquitted. No crime occurred. Get over it.

Barakn

You are obviously confused or in a state of denial. This may be news to you, but it is possible for a person that is actually guilty of a crime to be acquitted of it. In fact, our system of jurisprudence demands "reasonable doubt" and innocence until proof of guilt, so this is quite common. FBI statistics suggest that only 8% of rape accusations are "unfounded", but their numbers include some cases where there simply wasn't enough evidence, a weapon wasn't used, there weren't any physical injuries, etc.. Thus the actual rate of false rape accusations is likely smaller than 8% - Police in the Australian state of Victoria found only 2% were false. Let's go with the Americans on this one - there's a 92% chance Jordan raped her.

Barakn

You are obviously confused or in a state of denial. This may be news to you, but it is possible for a person that performed of a crime to be acquitted of it. In fact, our system of jurisprudence demands "reasonable doubt" and innocence until proof of guilt, so this is quite common. FBI statistics suggest that only 8% of rape accusations are "unfounded", but their numbers include some cases where there simply wasn't enough evidence, a weapon wasn't used, there weren't any physical injuries, etc.. Thus the actual rate of false rape accusations is likely smaller than 8% - Police in the Australian state of Victoria found only 2% of rape allegations were false. Let's side with the Americans here. There's an 8% chance Jordan is innocent.

Justice floral

Way to go Jordan. You made the 8%. I would suspect that 92% that are accused actually did it. 8% are falsely accused and found innocent. Thanks statistician for clearing that up for us. It makes sense now.

Roger
Roger

You are wrong about false rape reports in the USA. Some relevant information comes from a 1996 study published by the U.S. Department of Justice: "Convicted by Juries, Exonerated by Science: Case Studies in the Use of DNA Evidence to Establish Innocence After Trial."

The study documents 28 cases which, "with the exception of one young man of limited mental capacity who pleaded guilty," consist of individuals who were convicted by juries and, then, later exonerated by DNA tests. At the time of release, they had each served an average of 7 years in prison.

The passage that rivets attention was a quote from Peter Neufeld and Barry C. Scheck, prominent criminal attorneys and co-founders of the Innocence Project that seeks to release those falsely imprisoned.

They stated, "Every year since 1989, in about 25 percent of the sexual assault cases referred to the FBI where results could be obtained, the primary suspect has been excluded by forensic DNA testing. Specifically, FBI officials report that out of roughly 10,000 sexual assault cases since 1989, about 2,000 tests have been inconclusive, about 2,000 tests have excluded the primary suspect, and about 6,000 have "matched" or included the primary suspect."

The authors continued, "these percentages have remained constant for 7 years, and the National Institute of Justice's informal survey of private laboratories reveals a strikingly similar 26 percent exclusion rate."

If the foregoing results can be extrapolated, then the rate of false reports is roughly between 20 (if DNA excludes an accused) to 40 percent (if inconclusive DNA is added). The relatively low estimate of 25 to 26 percent is probably accurate, especially since it is supported by other sources.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,194032,00.html

Kahlotus

OJ Simpson and Casey Anthony were also acquitted. Therefore, they both must be innocent too!

hellgatenights

I don't think he will stay. Would be great if he would, but I can't imagine that he wants to walk this campus anymore. Wonder what his uncle (and coach) is advising him to do? Well......lucky for our community ......Missoula fixed this mess thanks to solid representation and a fair jury.

Bittersweet
Bittersweet

Why wouldn't he stay? He has nothing to run from and a ton of supporters right here in Western Montana.

Justice floral

I am one of them. We stand behind you Jordan. There was no evidence and many lies. Way to hang in there with courage and integrity.

JMontana

Welcome back Jordy! The majority of Montana is behind you and we're excited to see you back with your teamates doing what you love to do. Keep doing the right things and up with Montana boys! I see Florio isn't covering this stuff anymore - they must only put her in charge of writing the stories that aren't true. Ever since facts have showed up, she's nowhere to be found? Must be back to her original job of trying to track down shoplifting charges in eastern Montana? I don't want to sound like I'm complaining, you (unlike Jordan, O'Day, Pflu) and your shotty journalism has not been missed!

You must be high

As of today, the Missoulian is seeking to hire a news reporter. No joke. One can only hope that it would be to replace Florio.

jacksommersby88

Why is that? The desire to replace Florio? Because she reported that Johnson was on trial for rape when he was in fact on trial for rape?

You must be high

Jack, why can't you understand??
It is more about what she didn't report.
But you wouldn't know any of that because you never payed attention.
Don't believe that everything you read, is all there is to the story.

jacksommersby88

"I see Florio isn't covering this stuff anymore - they must only put her in charge of writing the stories that aren't true."

Oh? Johnson being on trial for rape wasn't true? Which is what Florio wrote about. Hmmmm, then I guess Johnson being found not-guilty isn't true, too, by your, well, "logic."

JMontana

OK, so you admit it, you have not read the paper. A journalist would have written that Johnson was on trial for an alleged rape charge that will go to trail, and that he was later found not guilty. Gwen wrote how he was on trial for raping an innocent girl who asked him to stop, and although he was found innocent (unanimously) by an unbiased jury, there was still evidence proving that he was guilty. See the difference? I wouldn't expect you would, but there it is. I just found it interesting that she had been writing about Johnson at least weekly for the past year hinting guilt with hear-say and skewing facts. I just found it interesting that she has now stopped now that he is factually not guilty? Just an intriguing observation. I wonder if she would still be "on the case" had he been convicted?

CaitWalsh

Not to defend Florio's horrifically biased "reporting," but she's the cops and courts reporter. It's unlikely this story would fall on her beat as it pertains more to straight news/sports, although it would be nice to see the original reporter doing the follow-up stories.

Alan Johnson

Florio's beat is cops and courts. That's the only reason she covered the arrest, trial etc. This is now a sports story, where it belongs and Fritz Neighbor has ably covered the Griz several seasons now. Get off the hate trip with Florio. She was only doing her job. If no more Grizzlies get involved with cops and courts, she won't have to be writing about them.

Bittersweet
Bittersweet

I'm sorry Alan. I read articles from around the globe leading up to and during this trial. None were as blatantly biased as Florios coverage was. Contrary to what you might think she wasn't doing her job. The worst of her one sided one liners were usually edited out within the first few hours of the article being posted. I truly believe she is an instigator and deserves most all of the criticism she has been getting. You know it's ok to form an opinion. I often do and I admit I am not always right, but I always think I am until another shows me differently.

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Remember political correctness is simply a doctorine fostered by a delusional, illogical minority and rabidly promoted by an uscrupulous mainstream media which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a piece of "!" by the clean end.

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It is understood why Gwen isn't covering sports stories although I really wish Fritz would be allowed to write an article about all of the good many Grizzly athletes do for our community. (off the field)

history

Well said.

JMontana

Hey Alan and History; Is the story about the 1,000 flowers rally a "cops and courts" story?? I didn't think so. She has a crystal CLEAR agenda, and if you can't see that, you're blind....

Alan Johnson

Correction, my oversight. Bill Speltz wrote this particular story, not Fritz. The point is the same though. This is no longer a cops and courts story, it's a sports story and Bill is also a very able sports writer for the Missoulian.

msladon

Alan, Sherry Devlin wrote the original story to this article. Now its another article by someone else with most of the same comments. What the Missoulian is about is instigating ill will in this community. They have all these people here arguing and for what? I've never in my years seen such a devisive form of journalism.

JMontana

I agree Alan, Gwen is responsible for court cases, it is now turned over to sports writers, but our (again I would agree) very capable sports writers didn't write this, so since I was just curious that's all. I will lighten up on Gwen because there's really nothing we can do about it now, but you're crazy if you can't agree she did an extremely horrible job of relaying the real news in an unbiased fasion to the community. The Johnson accusation and trail were butchered. She gets about 40% of the facts correct (see Tim Parks case - at home in bed during the "incident", see "gang rape" - a term used probably 100 times in the news paper yet charges were never brought meaning there was even LESS evidence than the JJ case - if that's possible). 40% isn't bad if you're a baseball player, but it's absolutely amature if you are a reporter.... she should be embarrassed. Alright I'll try and let up on her for awhile, but it wont be easy.

MTBizeeBee

Does anyone know.... Does Jordan HAVE to appeal and be reinstated to UM in order to be able to transfer to another school? Could this just be part of the process and we are getting excited for nothing? I sure hope not!

GrizFan2013

As Sheri's article states.....Jordan did appeal over the weekend, and the UM disciplinary council approved his reinstatement on Monday...so he's back on the team. It's not just a step in the process. So happy for Jordy!

GrizFan2013

Kudos to the U of M for doing the right thing by Jordy. He went through a year of hell and was found innocent by the courts. Now he should have the right to get back on the football field and finish out his career. Good luck in spring drills and the 2013 season, Jordan!

Hal Jordan

Funny how Gwen is not covering this anymore

Alan Johnson

Nothing funny at all. She covers cops and courts, whether Grizzlies are involved or not. This is no longer a story on her beat. This is a sports story.

Roger
Roger

Congratulations to Jordan Johnson - now if only we could get Pflugrad and O'Day back, and get rid of Engstrom.

UMalumnus

Roger you are obsessed. We don't know why the two were let go. There could have been very good reasons. It's not our place to know. If none of the parties are talking about it then why do you care so much? Athletic department employees have been let go for far less than what's alluded to here at other schools.

You must be high

Why is it not our place to know??
Don't you think it might have some influence on the public opinion of Engstrom??

history

Why is it not our place to know? Because Employers have obligations to protect the privacy of their employees, past or present. It the employee's want to tell you more that is their right. Plugrad and O'Day know why they were let go. If they want us to know more its their place to provide that information. The administration is legally bound not to.

You must be high

Really?? I've spoken with O'Day. He doesn't know "why" any more thn you or I.
But I would think that, at least, he deserves an explanation. No?? But NOTHING from Engstrom. I think Engstrom should go.

Justice floral

Give me a break. Did you fail math? 2+2 does actually equal 4

HotShoe
HotShoe

Can we now get rid of Engstrom ?

montanamuralist
montanamuralist

Bigt news and happy we have him back and all is back to relative normal...oh...we still have Engstrom?? And Delaney?? Ok well starting to get back to normal. Do appreciate the coach for speeding this up a little...no reason he should have to go through some lengthy process here. Hope he gets an apology from the kangaroo court at UM as well...there is a reason to go to spring scrimmage now...

HotShoe
HotShoe

He should get an absolute apology from the UM and the girl that created this mess.

Bittersweet
Bittersweet

Yes. We all welcome you back Jordan. Lets leave the past behind.

Boba Fett

Cue the infuriated feminists in 3, 2, 1...

jacksommersby88

Just like "cue the sexist cretins who cried in their wife-beater T-shirts when ex UM running-back Donaldson was convicted for rape...

Lori_E

Ok, jacksommersby88, maybe some fact-checking is in order. Beau Donaldson was not convicted of rape. He pled guilty. He confessed in a tape-recorded phone conversation. There is a difference between confessing to a crime/pleading guilty and being found not guilty by a jury of one's peers. A jury that, incidentally, was made up of more females than mans. I'm not sure what your agenda on this topic is, but at least post facts. The facts around Beau Donaldson are that he confessed and pled guilty. He never went before a jury of his peers to determine his guilt.

jacksommersby88

So sorry, Lori-E.

One ex-UM football player is serving time in prison for rape; another ex-/now-reinstated UM football player is not serving time in prison for rape.

Happy?

Aberdeen

Oh Lori - there you go, messing with poor Jack's mind by introducing FACTS into the discussion. Now poor Jack will have to face reality - what a tough life!

Lori_E

So sorry, Jack:

One ex-UM football player is serving time in prison for a rape to which he confessed; another ex-/now-reinstated UM football player is not serving time in priosn for a rape that a jury of his peers found him not guilty.

Happy? I am happy that we have a justice system that affords the accused the right to face his/her accuser and the right to be judged by a jury of his/her peers.

I'm surely not going to get into a pissing match with you because as another commenter posted, you seem to have issues when faced with facts and reality. So...peace out!

jacksommersby88

Aberdeen,

The reporter covering the trial wrote nothing but FACTS yet you people spew this hatred on her, why? Because she actually covered both sides of the story rather than just the one side you favored?

You must be high

Jack,.... I know for a FACT that she did NOT report the whole story.
For instance, ... did she EVER report on just HOW the Expert witness for the defense, the nurse from Florida/Florence came to be involved???
I'm sure you don't care, 'cause you already know all of the FACTS right?

jacksommersby88

you must be high,

-- "did she EVER report on just HOW the Expert witness for the defense, the nurse from Florida/Florence came to be involved???" --

Uh, no. And she also didn't report on HOW the expert witnesses for the prosecution came to be involved. How in the world is that relevant? She was reporting the facts of the trial; her articles were not "investigative" pieces.

dave ajou
dave ajou

Read the comments on the Donalsdson conviction Larry, the only comment that reflected that mentality was from the mythical Walter12, a troll just like you. But your LTE using your real name was interesting.

JMontana

Jack, since Jordan was unanimously found innocent by an unbiased jury, you have linked this case to Beau Donaldson (a confessed rapist), Casey Anthony (as all signs suggested a child murderer), and now O.J. (as the evidence showed.. a murderer and multiple offender who is now in prison)... I'm not sure what you're going for here, and because of your rediculous comments, I'm not sure why I even respond but.. I'm very much in support of Jordan Johnson (as ALL signs suggested, he is INNOCENT of this charge, and the jury agreed). This has absolutely NOTHING to do with any other cases. Me, like many others, are just happy to see an innocent man go free and try to get his life back. As for your comments regarding a "double standard" - No, I was not happy Donaldson went to Jail and did not throw a party because a KID lost his life. There is nothing to be happy for in that case unless you are you or Gwen Florio and it somehow makes your life feel more significant. There is one person to be happy for in this case, it is the guy who gets a chance to get back what was wrongfully taken from him, nothing more. I feel very bad for the accuser, I hope she's able to find the appropriate help and find what she is looking for at sometime in this life. Please stop posting your negative spins on this case, it's always been extremely biased, off topic, and sophmoric, but now it's just getting old...

You must be high

Well stated JMontana.

jacksommersby88

-- "I'm very much in support of Jordan Johnson (as ALL signs suggested, he is INNOCENT of this charge, and the jury agreed). " --

I don't dispute that.

-- "This has absolutely NOTHING to do with any other cases." --

Yes, it does. Because you claim a jury finding Johnson not guilty is 100% proof he's innocent -- saying the legal system settled it. And yet you don't apply that to a woman and a black who were found not-guilty by the very same legal system.

-- "Me, like many others, are just happy to see an innocent man go free and try to get his life back."

Me, too.

-- "As for your comments regarding a "double standard" - No, I was not happy Donaldson went to Jail and did not throw a party because a KID lost his life" --

Actually, Donaldson is an ADULT, and he's to serve only 10 years out of an original 30-year sentence. Meanwhile, the woman this guy raped with be psychologically scarred for the rest of HER life.

jacksommersby88

JMontana,

Two more things.

-- "Casey Anthony (as all signs suggested a child murderer" --

And the not-guilty verdict suggested otherwise.

-- "and now O.J. (as the evidence showed.. a murderer and multiple offender who is now in prison)" --

Yes, but not for the murders he was on trial for and was found not-guilty by the very same legal system you state proves Johnson is not-guilty.

history

Just to clarify, the young man was not found innocent. He was found not guilty and their is a distinct difference, according to the law. And please stop the personal attacks on people in this post. Doing so does not afford credibility. Its not how arguments are won. And this really isn't a place to try to win an argument.

JMontana

History - Yes a difference, but more a technicality than anything. If you are innocent until proven guilty, and never found guilty, I find it fair to say you are innocent. Especially after the jurors comments and the immediate fasion of their decision. No need to split hairs though I agree.

Remmy372

Actually History I would like to know where you find this "distinct difference" as the law recognizes guilt in only two ways. A jury can either find a defendant "guilty" or "not guilty". There is no finding of innocent by a jury...ever. What JMontana said is exactly on point.

JMontana

Jack - Johnson is not on trial for murder, this does not have anything to do with any of the cases you mentioned. Different case, different evidence, different states, different jury, etc. etc. etc. The legal system is not a perfect system, it is a system run by humans and will have some errors and outliers. For every outlier you find of a blown judgement (OJ or Casey Anthony) there are thousands of correct calls. I'm simply claiming they got it right this time. By your claim; "because a jury messed up a murder case 18 years ago in California" you are making a point the system does not work 100% of the time, and you get to choose which cases you think are wrong, and believe you can use that as justification. So let me clarify, I am 99.6% sure Jordan is innocent (which would line up a little more to how often the system WORKS), I hope that helps.

As for Donaldson's case, I'll clarify again sorry, I'm not happy that an ADULT lost his life. If you want to argue sentence length you're in the wrong forum. If you do some research you'll notice his sentence was MORE severe than those in the average public over the past few years in MT. I feel very bad for the victim in that case, I hope she can someday bounce back to somewhat of a normal life, Beau may have unfortunately taken that from her. If you think Donaldson will serve his 10 years, then just go back to life as usual; there's not a chance. 2 lives were lost in that case, and no, that does not and will never make me happy. You'll have to throw a party with yourself (and maybe Gwen) for the conclusion of that unfortunate situation.

jacksommersby88

-- "If you are innocent until proven guilty, and never found guilty, I find it fair to say you are innocent." --

And yet you still hypocritically claim Casey Anthony and O.J. Simpson aren't innocent. (rolls eyes)

notfrommt

Keep Beau's name out of your mouth. You know nothing and this is displayed every time you make a comment. Get a job and get off this forum, you clearly have nothing important to contribute.

jacksommersby88

My case rested -- 'ol notfromit defending a rapist monster just because he was on the football team! Speaks volumes, believe me.

msladon

you see from Jackie's comment, this is her case and she's gonna try it right here in an anonymous format, i'm sure glad our justice system doesn't work in the manner Jackie thinks it should, LMAO now. this is only about jackie for jackie.

ambiguous genitalia

awe shucks, this just proves that Gwen's agenda and all her feminazi cut and paste senational journalism was way out in left field

jacksommersby88

Covering a rape trial was "out of left field" just because the defendent was found innocent and reinstated to the team? Whaaaaaatever!

You must be high

Jack, you never did pay attention did you??

jacksommersby88

Oh, I did. And the reporter reported on the details of the trial. How is that "sensationalism"?

Aberdeen

Jack - what part of "innocent until proven guilty" don't you understand? If I accuse "jack" of being a serial murderer, it does make it so, does it? How about a rapist? So Jack, how many rapes and murders have you yet to be convicted of? Same standards should be applied to every American, even UM football players!

You must be high

Jack..... The details of the trial??? Are you serious?? You don't have any idea. Unless you were in that courtroom. It's obvious you were not. You're spouting ignorance. You just don't know it.

JMontana

No probably cause, facts, or evidence of any kind to support an "out of left field" charge. There was cause for a story regarding the recklessness of the UM administration and the county prosecutor, maybe a couple articles, but not a story a day from Gwen suggesting guilt at any chance she could (if you can't see that, you haven't read the newspaper). She should be completely ashamed of herself, as should anybody who isn't on board with Johnson's return. The great state of Montana has laws that convict the guilty, and Jordan is not. End of story. Welcome back Jordan!

jacksommersby88

I read the newspaper coverage, and the reporter covered both sides. Covered the prosecutor's questions and the defense lawyer's questions; the answers of the witnesses for the prosecution and the defense. The only "bias" you people can come up with is from your own imaginations.

Chris Bosshardt

Talk about a missoula economic development plan!

jacksommersby88

What, are the as-sleazy-as-lobbyists university boosters going to open up manufacturing plants in this economically-mediocre city?

griznationbaby

Not exactly... But with JJ back it could help the football team bounce back and keep up ticket sales coming. People travel here from all around the state to watch Griz football, Jack. What does that mean for this community on thriving attendance on home games? Business booms for local hotels, restaurants, bars etc. etc.

You must be high

Jack obviously hates this town and the University.

So, .... Jack, .... Why are you still here??

jacksommersby88

Heh! Actually, ya'll who keep badmouthing the university for the firing of those coaches are the ones who hate the university! And how do I hate the town? Because I don't get on my knees and worship the 'ol college football gods? There's more to Missoula than football -- believe it or not!

msladon

No one,,, I repeat no one is asking you to stay in this city jack. If you find Missoula and it residents so horrid why don't you pack and leave? Missoula doesn't really need the hate you bring to every post. Please go away!

jacksommersby88

What "hate"? Badmouthing boosters? Taking sexist cretins to task who claim only "libtard feminists" are interested in seeing an accused rapist go to trial? There are oodles and oodles of great people in Missoula. And not all of them view UM football more important than ending hunger and homelessness in this great country.

msladon

now its homelessness and hunger,,, where do you get this stuff from jack?
i find it kind of childish and immature to be calling names here jack but that's your entire argument. you have stereotyped our entire community, please go away.

You must be high

Oh, so that's your agenda.
You just want to see anyone who is "accused" go to jail.
And you don't enjoy football.
You are so much better than everyone else.
Why didn't you just say so Jack??
We can all just move along now.

grizfan4life

Finally...true JUSTICE for Jordan Johnson!!! Can't wait to watch you on the field again!!!

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