Gary Marbut’s phone is ringing all the time these days with calls from national news organizations, along with lawmakers and citizens.

As some gun rights advocates call for increased firearms control, and others clam up entirely, Marbut is the go-to guy for quotes about maintaining the status quo or – better yet, he’d say – loosening gun regulations.

“I hear people say there needs to be a national dialogue about these bad guns,” said Marbut, president of the Montana Shooting Sports Association. “I would respond to them to say I think there needs to be a national dialogue about the horrible public policy failure of the alleged gun-free zones. That’s the dialogue.”

Marbut is hardly alone in opposing gun-free zones. But for the past few days he’s been largely on his own as a gun advocate speaking openly about his positions in the aftermath of the shooting at a Newtown, Conn., elementary school that took the lives of 20 children and six adults.

The National Rifle Association took down its Facebook page after the shooting. The page went back up Tuesday, with a statement from NRA President Wayne LaPierre saying “we have given time for mourning, prayer and a full investigation of the facts before commenting,” and adding that the NRA will offer “meaningful contributions to help make sure this never happens again.” Pierre promised a “major” news conference Friday.

The Newtown-headquartered National Shooting Sports Foundation (not affiliated with Marbut’s group) posted a short statement on its website Friday, the day of the shooting:

“Our hearts go out to the families of the victims of this horrible tragedy in our community. Out of respect for the families, the community and the ongoing police investigation, it would be inappropriate to comment or participate in media requests at this time.”

On Tuesday, it expanded upon that, pointing out that in a small community like Newtown, “not suprisingly, we had family, friends and acquaintances that were affected. We are weighed down by their heartbreaking stories and the sorrow that has blanketed our community.” That statement reiterated the group’s decision not to publicly discuss the issue.

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Marbut said Tuesday that three issues require focus in the aftermath of the Newtown massacre: Perspective. Armed teachers. And gun-free zones.

He’s strongly in favor of the first two, and just as vehemently opposed to the last.

In terms of perspective, he likened the odds of a child being injured by “an insane active shooter” to being hit by lightning. In 2011, 240 people were injured by lightning and 39 died, according to the National Weather Service.

This year, the shootings in Newtown, at a Christian college in California and at a school cafeteria in Oregon killed a total of 36 people.

Marbut suggested that people concerned about protecting children might, “in a more rational world,” want to focus on the far greater risks posed by automobiles and water, he said. The Centers for Disease Control lists accidents as the leading cause of death for people ages 5 to 24. The second-leading cause for those ages 5 to 14 is cancer; for 15- through 24-year-olds, it’s homicide, according to the CDC.

As for arming teachers – and Marbut stressed that should be on a volunteer basis only – “if we believe that the potential for crazy people to shoot up schools is a genuine risk we need to address, then the rational way to do that ... is to allow, through public policy, teachers who are willing to undertake the responsibility” to carry.

On Monday, Virginia Gov. Gov. Bob McDonnell, R-Va., told a local radio station that a discussion is needed on arming teachers.

One school district in Texas has been allowing teachers to carry for years. Superintendent David Thweatt told Fox News in 2008 that “we are seeing a lot of anger in society. … When you make schools gun-free zones, it’s like inviting people to come in and take advantage.”

Marbut said such zones defy logic, requiring the belief that “some madman who will ignore the most profound prohibition for any society, the prohibition against taking innocent life … somebody who has crossed all those stark lines would get to the edge of a gun-free zone and think to himself, ‘They have a policy against guns here, so I’d better go home and play computer games.’ ”

“Anyone who believes that,” Marbut added, “needs help.”

When it comes to the Newtown shootings, Marbut said that “like everybody else, I was stunned that a human being could be so crazy as to do something like that.”

That was his first reaction. His second?

“I wish I could’ve been there. If I had been there, it would have been one (victim) and done.”

Reporter Gwen Florio can be reached at 523-5268, gwen.florio@missoulian.com or @CopsAndCourts.

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(177) comments

Rick

Has anyone stopped to think that there have been more child murders due to Obama's failed Fast and Furious than in all the school shooting last year?

Tapdancn
Tapdancn

Except that Fast and Furious started during the Bush administration. (stop watching Faux news...)

Rick

Perhaps you should consider your sources as well? Did you happen catch any of the propaganda spewed by the so-called mainstream media under the guise of NEWS over the past few months?

MontanaNative1ed7

Bullet Proof backpacks sold on Fox news is the newest trend. I am so glad the "neo-cons"ervatives have found a way to make new jobs! Scare the children into buying bullet proof backpacks. New products from the fear mongering "neo liberals."

What is a neo liberal? Look it up on Wikipedia. Neo or new liberals want deregulation of guns, water, air, and corporations. It's the new freedom from the people who say "liberal" like it's a dirty word. When our water is deregulated it will swell with fracking chemicals.
Neo liberalism wants corporations to be free to frack up the land and water.

Neoliberalism is alive and well in Montana. Many countries find it stupid and look at as the downfall of the US. We have higher suicide and homicide rates than other first world countries. We cherish our gun rights more than we love life.

Ridge

If that Principal had been armed and trained, perhaps she could have stopped Lanza in his tracks before he had been able to kill 20 children and 6 adults. But many liberals would have much rather let 26 people die because the adults had no way of defending themselves to further their political agendas of disarmament. That way they could scream from the rooftops about how bad guns are. They absolutely believe that those guns by themselves are responsible for the deaths and Lanza was just a poor misunderstood boy. If anything, this shooting has shown the country that it cannot depend on the police to protect it. We have to assume some self responsibility for our own protection.

Mexico has much stricter gun control laws than the US does. But for some reason, it's homicide rate is much higher. New York, Detroit, Chicago, Miami, and most eastern states have very strict gun control laws. Yet they also manage to have much higher homicide rates. Disarming law abiding citizens have never taken the arms out of the hands of criminals. In fact, all restrictive gun laws do is to remove the ability for a law abiding citizen to defend him or herself. Lanza loved the fact that he would not be facing any deadly opposition when he systematically shot those students and teachers one by one. He knew that because of state laws he would be free to inflict as much carnage as he wished. And again, think about this, if that principal had been armed and trained, she may have been able to stop this man from executing her students. Laws on disarmed the people who are most inclined to obey them. What criminals do you know, that hearing something was against the law, decided they weren't going to do it? Yep, that's what I thought.

DoItRight
DoItRight

There are a lot of idiotic comments on for this article, but this ranks at the top.

Hakon Montag
Hakon Montag

Yes "your comment" does hit the top of the bar...

Kuato

Anti-depressants Induce violence leading us to gun control. A statement made by Dr Ann Blake Tracy years ago.( www.drugawareness.org ) SSRI drugs and the huge danger to society.

Rick

alljack is right. There was an armed "officer" at Columbine. When the two perps approached the school, the "officer" went to meet them. His weapon was safely stored in a secure room. When the two killers leveled their weapons on him he rabbited. Leaving all the school under their control and mercy. To top it all off, the real police waited outside while the massacre continued within.
There comes a time when we have to assume responsibility for our own and our children's security. All of the pseudo-intellectual sheep who believe that only the police should be armed and that the police will be effective at protecting us, need only to look at the recent home invasion murder. The police arrived after the slaughter. Just in time to arrest the knife wielding killer.
I guess the collective memory of Missoula' s liberal community has also forgotten the mass murderer who was stopped many years ago, not by the police, but by the home owner who managed to free himself after being beaten, tied up in his basement and left dead. He retrieved a weapon, and shot the criminal in the act of raping the homeowner's wife.

Hakon Montag
Hakon Montag

The truth hurts...that is why liberals hate when it is used.

alljack
alljack

If you are going to train school teachers to expect and participate in gunfights in their classrooms, the least you can do is give them flak jackets and helmets, and possibly night-vision goggles if they work after dark.

MontanaNative1ed7

Children can be picked up in tanks instead of school buses. Teachers can learn to pilot helicopters to perform better surveillance of the schools for lunch duty.

Helen mo

Good post, Dave!

tired of spin

Just a few observations and comment, note am Vet, long time hunter/shooter/target shooter long-shot-handguns over 50 years, former NRA as quite when in 73 they went extreme to increase gun sales and remarks like "ATF black booted thugs".

Factually there is NO need for assault type guns, they are designed for combat killing, not for wanna be hero's playing swat, spl ops, etc. Want AR of own, bad guys join Army. There is no reasonable need for hi typical hand/long or shotguns, they are not sporting, target or sporting, target can be modified to only use 10rd or less mags at no expense to sport. There is NO NEED AT ALL FOR cut down AR/AK's now sold as "automatic pistols" ALL capable of concealed and 30-350rd drum mags, same for hi capacity "tactical" shotguns ad zero need for them in civilian hands.

All these killing machines trace to combat/cop killing not sporting. Note after WW2 few if any combat vets wanted M1, Korea same and many from NAM had never again wanted to be near M14-AR/.AK's. About 1973 Draft ended, NRA went militant, assault guns/huge mags took off, seems more wanted to play swat, spl ops, "go tactical" then ever before and more then few of their toys named "Spl Ops, Tactical, in ads along with "look at me in camos as I am a wanna be ////, even have a "swat type bullet proof vest".
. Lots of wanna be "hero's" suddenly had to "pack to protect us all" via NRA pushing fear and panic to increase lagging handgun sales, Bizarrely the claim is "Well qualified to carry and trained blah blah". Yet many states have ZERO requirement to shot one round, others less then 20 and most max at 50. Reality is any who mastered handgun will advise 50rds is NOT enough to hunt with, much less shot in panicked public situation. Frightfully MT, other states "Reciprocal carry" allows those who never fired or 10-20 shots to be among us, no one, pro gunnies, sporting zero moral/ethical responsibility, never act or complain of this obvious danger to us all. NRA lobby chalked up more gun sales so who cares, AKA "responsible qualified carry" or massive hypocrisy?

I am fed up with NRA and supporters who offer NO solutions other then "arm teachers" and I carry, armed to teeth to save the naiton etc. I question the sanity of allowing ANYONE to have a AK/AR, long or pistol/30rd mag or 20/handguns. I note NRA spin now "Mentally degreanged etc is issue' So try this often heard AR/AKista mantry test on for size "I have an assault type gun to protect me/family when government comes to take my guns or when in future when government fails and mobs rule to defend myself blah blah" Now if these are the ravings of sane people you feel can run about with massive firepower, pointless to discuss anything with that type.
Closing is real sportsman, target shooter and just plinkinig or such do not find any need for killiing machine derived form combat arms, bullet proof vests, 20-30-350rd long/hand gun mags. My pre64 Winchester has served me well for decades, I find NO need for 30rd mags, not hi capacity mags for my shotguns, nor 20-30plus mags for my hand guns. As long time shooter, reloader, target-hunting I am weary of telling folks, I shoot but not assault guns, had enough of them as a vet. I write because am fed up with paranoid fools and their killing machines. Was a sports store for good shoe grease and clown there told me "Got to buy all the ammo and one more gun today as government/O gonna take them. He inferred he did this "Every time one of those shootings happen and can hardly afford it!"
Yep NRAista's, your traditional celebration "Every time it happens", more guns, ammo and you call yourselves sane with solutions, "every time"?

Hakon Montag
Hakon Montag

The 2nd Amendment does not even mention "sport shooting, target shooting, or hunting"...

Odd isn't it...

MontanaNative1ed7

WHY ARE SCHOOLS BECOMING MORE VIOLENT? That is the real question.

ARMING TEACHERS? There is too much for school teachers to do as it is and too little pay. The students do not learn in an armed environment. Metal detectors are what is used. Securing the learning environment at the entrance with a security professional. Arming teachers? CRAZY. In addition....there are strict limitations and liabilities for what teachers can and cannot do in violent areas. The problem is schools were not violence zones until recently. Violent neighborhoods have learned strict protocols for teachers over the past forty years. Teachers with guns would escalate the violence.

Hakon Montag
Hakon Montag

In this particular incident..."the school" did not become more violent.

For all you liberal proponents of what "you believe" the 2nd Amendment stands for...

In this particular incident "the school" simply became the shooters preferred place to practice "hunting and target shooting"...since that is precisely what he did.

The liberal mindset of "hide in the corner and cover our eyes" is what got these children and adults killed. GET THE HECK OUT OF THE BUILDING AND AREA AS FAST AS POSSIBLE.

Remember...the shooter won't see you if you hide in the corner and cover your eyes.

As is the usual response of almost all of these types of "shooters"...when he was confronted with the police "finally" arriving on the scene...he shot himself.

Now what would have happened if one (or more) of the adults on the scene at the school had been armed?

I know...you don't even want to consider the possibility since it goes against everything you believe in. But remember...what you believe in is what got all those children murdered.

Hakon Montag
Hakon Montag

The first "school shooting" in this country happened in the 1700's...Oh!...and it was carried out by Indians...oops...

Rob Tabish

the responses on gun control issues on here always brighten up my day. there are two camps on this subject. neither of them are right. both are adamant about their position....but neither are right. the fact of the matter is, we can carry guns. we can [almost] all own guns, and we can all choose not to. to me, that is what the second amendment is about. we shouldn't all HAVE to carry guns...and MOST people make that choice every day.

i think that is what would happen if we let teachers go to school armed. MOST would not do it, in most of the country. i haven't researched the statistics on this, but when guns started being a problem in big city schools, they answered the issue by bringing in armed guards. this did NOT stop gun violence, just slowed it down...a bit. the expense of paying for armed guards actually started cutting into school budgets, lowering the standards for education in cities like Detroit and Washington D.C. places that desperately needed to better educate their students...not lessen that education experience.

which leads to another question i have been asking...who is going to pay to arm the teachers? in most areas of the country, teachers do not earn enough money to pay for daily expenses...much less buy firearms. and what school district is going to want to pay for arming its teachers, when they can't afford building upkeep and up-to-date text books? the taxpayers...especially the conservatives who DON'T want to increase their taxes, sure the heck are not going to want to pay for it....isn't it interesting that it is the conservative gun rights advocates who want most to arm everyone?

Hakon Montag
Hakon Montag

Your opening salvo is so poorly guided as to be laughable.

Absolutely no one from the pro gun side is demanding that everyone should be packing. On the other side of the fence they ARE demanding that everyone should be disarmed.

Of course I liked how you stated that neither side was right...and then gave us "your facts"...which I guess makes you the only one that is right...nice job Rob.

DoItRight
DoItRight

Um, yes, Marbut is the one always spouting we should be wearing guns like underwear.
No, wrong again, no one is demanding everyone be disarmed.
Support your laughable claims with facts.

You're in over your head on this one, Hakon.

Hakon Montag
Hakon Montag

Obviously another denier of the gun control "agenda"...

Play your games on someone else.

madtaxpayer

arming teachers is not the solution. locking mentally unstable people up for good is the solution. If this kid/man was locked up when he was younger in an institution, those 20 children would still be alive today.

the problem is this bleeding heart country thinks EVERYONE is wonderful, everyone deserves a second chance, just have them see a shrink and they will be A OK. No, we need to go back to the days when we locked up loonies in the loony bin and locked the door on them for good!!! The killings won't stop until that happens. Don't take the guns away from the people, get the mentally deranged people away from the guns!!!! so stinking simple.

Hakon Montag
Hakon Montag

What was that song in the 60's?

Everyone is beautiful? (in their own way)

There's a lot to be said about keeping things "simple".

hahnslice
hahnslice

As a school superintendent in Montana, I have wanted to carry a conceled weapon for years. We are thirty minutes from ANY law enforcement agency, right off a major highway and near the Canadian border. The threat is real and my ability to stop an active shooter is limited to throwing a chair at them. The principal in Conn. ran towards the shooter (I'm told) and was simply gunned down. As superintendent, I "can't hide or run". My job is to protect my students. I can't think of another efficient way to stop, or even slow down, an active shooter other than using a gun. We are locked down 24/7 here, with a buzz in and monitor system to prevent unauthorized entry...but that won't stop a person bent on getting in and shooting kids and/or staff. A firearm helps even the odds "some" against an active shooter because other wise, nothing stops them here for at least 30 minutes and in that time they could eliminate every person in the building. We can all do many things in an attempt to preventing a shooter (new laws, etc), but should I have an active shooter...and your child is in my school.....wouldn't you hope at least one person had a weapon to respond with or would you rather wait until after the death of your child and then allow someone to carry a weapon in a school. It is ridiculous that we announce that schools are "gun free" so crazies KNOW that there aren't any guns in the building. We can't afford SROs and/or metal detectors. Really, the only thing that stops a shooter is another shooter and since law enforcement can't help me for thirty minutes, I need to be able to do it.

LilyVonShtupp

Actually, there is one other thing that can stop a shooter...not having access to ridiculous semi-automatic rifles and hundreds of rounds of ammo.

Hakon Montag
Hakon Montag

Bad answer.

DoItRight
DoItRight

Really, that's the only answer.

sallymander

Ever consider bear spray? Think there would be any objection? Lot better than throwing chairs.

Kuato

Headlines , reports of multiple shooters . Sikh temple shooter(Wade Micheal Page) was in "army psychological operations". Ah Oh, a law enforcement officer got their a little to soon and took down one of the four shooters, bet they didn't count on that, I smell a rat! In fact ,their has been reports of multiple shooters at Sandy hook, Aurora and in Wisconsin. Are you sure your getting the full story from the corporate media folks?

BJG1

Dcmissoula: just to remind you that not everyone who is for sane gun management in this country is from CA. I am not a west or east coaster, and am still amazed at the stupidity of the Montuckey mindset.

Dcmissoula

Well if you don't like the Montana culture of self reliance, and libertien mindset. I suggest you give Washington, Oregon and California a try. More of your kind of people. Just remember you ideology is a small drop in the "Montucky" bucket. By the way I own several guns , college educated, and reject the cradle to grave mentality you embolden. Cheers.

Hakon Montag
Hakon Montag

Absolutely...

Hakon Montag
Hakon Montag

The shooting didn't happen here...your comment is both a red-herring and non sequitur.

Resbiker
Resbiker

So...according to the Gallop poll, politicians are rated among the 3 worst in ethical professionals. Look it up. Always have been in the bottom. But, they have body guards carrying at least semi-automatics, and for some of self-importance, full automatics. Plus, some of them have CCW's for them selves. So, tell me, all you liberal gun rights haters, why shouldn't Mr.&Mrs. America, (and Ms. America) have the same rights? These governmental failures want you to be without the power to defend, but they will continue with their own protection. Here's an idea: after all semi and full automatics are cleared from the bad guys, I will be happy to give mine up. Till then, you'll never know when or what I'm carrying not to mention who.

Hakon Montag
Hakon Montag

Diane Fienstien (sp?) is a prime example of what you speak of. Do as I say NOT AS I DO.

She represents California from the Bay Area (San Francisco) and she is one of the VERY FEW people in the Bay Area that has a CCW...go figure...I'm sure she also has body guards as well...and we foot the bill.

ProNWO
ProNWO

put a tank in every school and kindergarten. end of discussion.

Kuato

Obama is the great deceiver who works for the dark side puppet masters, and they have plans to bring in U N peace keeper's to go house to house to disarm the American people or kill them if they don't go along.

chaffincreek
chaffincreek

Sure they are Kuato. And your proof of this little fantasy is?

Kuato

Hey chaffincreep Still the same old slimy troll from under the bridge,how you been? Man if you can't see the forest for the trees then their is nothing I can say to help you. The Dark side AKA the Babylonian brotherhood or The Ashkenazim mafia. Say hi to the troll wife for me would you. Got to go!

chaffincreek
chaffincreek

Are you 13 years old? What an amazingly immature little production you have Kuato. With that, we are supposed to take you seriously? Now that is funny. Provide the sources and the direct quote for your fantasy: No facts no credibility; it is as simple as that.

Hakon Montag
Hakon Montag

@chaffincreek (below)

On numerous occasions you have been asked to back up your statements...(crickets...)

Kuato

Read the U N small arms treaty for dummies!

MontanaNative1ed7

Communities have been dealing effectively with violence in the schools for years. People actually get an education to teach in these situations. The teachers have aids, security guards, and metal detectors, principals, counselors, etc. Teachers teach. A network of people deal with the students and their problems. Teachers with guns. Montana is going to get a reputation for CRAZY MARBUT. Marbut is a fame seeker. Marbut would say anything to fan the flames of fame.

The_Boneshackler
The_Boneshackler

Body armor and ballistic helmets for the kids. Problem solved....
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/12/19/bulletproof-backpacks-kids-body-armor-in-demand-following-connecticut-school/

sallymander

My solution is the media stops reporting on these massacres. Let the loons die in their basement alone with their own bullet in the head rather than reaching worldwide fame they never could achieve any other way. Sensationalist media is only creating a completion to see which killer can top the last, next slaughter in a maternity ward or day care or it won't count. I don't think it's any coincidence that massacres have increased along with the 24/7 news cycle.

Hakon Montag
Hakon Montag

Watch the movie 15 Minutes

dsrobins

The remarkable selfishness and stupidity of the NRA gun goons in Montana is truly breathtaking. Their attitude is they could care less about public safety, they just want their assault weapons and rapid fire pistols. Marbut is the worst of the lot, but there are plenty more who think like does including far to many state and natonal representatives. We're going to change that.

Lynne McKay

Just hold on there! Don't mix Marbut in with the other gun clubs. I am a member of two others, and from what I have come to know about Marbut is that he is not want I want to be involved with or learn anything about guns from.

Hakon Montag
Hakon Montag

Good luck with that...

JuhDuh

I just wonder how many situations Marbut has been in where his target is firing back at him with a weapon that has a high rate of fire?

Wow, I did not know that Japan did not invade the U.S. during WWII because U.S. citizens were armed. Silly me, I thought it was because of the huge distance from Japan to the U.S. and that Japan did not have any place close to the West Coast to stage an invasion. And, I thought it was because Japan lost the majority of their aircraft carriers at the Battle of Midway.

AlwaysQuestion

The Aleutian Islands, part of Alaska were invaded by Japanese forces during WWII. This was used as a diversion to pull American resources away from the Midway Islands. These were unfortunately some of the most commonly forgotten battles of WWII.

Kuato

Your arguments are ludicrous ! On Febuary 18,2010 a tiny little women security guard Jeanne Assam shot and killed a mind controlled mass shooter at the mega church in Colorado Springs before he got started.

LilyVonShtupp

"New Life Church shooting in Colorado Springs, Colorado
In 2007 a gunman killed two people and wounded three others before being shot himself; the pro-gun crowd likes to refer to the woman who took him out in the parking lot as a "church member." Never mind that she was a security officer for the church and a former cop, and that the church had put its security team on high alert earlier that day due to another church shooting nearby." (MotherJones)

Hakon Montag
Hakon Montag

I do believe that Kuato accurately mentioned that the "little woman" was in fact a security guard for the Church...yup he sure did...

So your post is pointless...

Sukey

Hey, I'll bet you're a young person. There were forts in San Francisco bay and armed military along the Seattle coastline during WWII. I know I had family stationed there. Plus, the Japanese did invade Alaska, the Aleutian Islands, and held them there for two years. They did that when they did Midway Island. There's a book called The Thousand Mile War that describes how we defended our Pacific Coast WITH GUNS, THEY WERE ARMED.

Hakon Montag
Hakon Montag

I walked through the old armaments in San Fran while I lived there.

Really cool historical stuff. Saw where the 16 INCH guns were mounted and everything. The Presidio used to be the main headquarters for the military detatchment there and on the inward side of the bay is where the ammo bunkers were at.

Literally MILES of tunnels still in the mountain to link everything together.

Sukey

Oh wow, I didn't know about those tunnels. I too have been all over the Presidio and the forts in Seattle which helped to protect our Great Nation during WWII.

volamus

Let's take a dispassionate look at this. Who, other than mental health specialists or the parents of the criminal, are best able to stop an asymmetric power projection (i.e., heavily armed guy vs. unarmed innocents) in this situation? Cops? Yep, but slow response. How about armed teachers? Well, it sounds preposterous, but there could be merit to the idea. Some school teachers are current members of the National Guard (I know some). They're trained and know how to shoot and ensure clear field of fire (CFOF). They could quickly don identifiable gear showing they are the good guys in a SWAT interdiction response. Additionally, what if some teachers--particularly those moved by these events--volunteer to be Reserve Deputy Sheriffs? From the Missoula County website: "Candidates undergo a rigorous selection process and are required to complete state mandated training prior to being sworn in as reserve deputies. They wear the same uniform and have the same arrest power as full time deputy sheriffs while on duty."
In this case, we have a dual-hat wearing teacher (again, many already are members of the "militia," aka National Guard), while also providing an RD Sheriff.

Did anyone complain about having the Police on campus? Would the teacher still be able to teach even though they are known to have access to a firearm? I suggest yes.

I think one of the more important pieces of this puzzle, alluded to in earlier posts, is that a SHOOTING CONFRONTATION IS NOT NECESSARY. These criminals desire to die, but only after killing innocents and before they are injured by responders' bullets (getting maimed is far more frightening that a one-shot kill to the head). A trained responder merely brandishing a weapon, thus removing the asymmetry of force, is enough to make the criminal lose focus and ultimately either kill themselves, or at least stop targeting innocents.


Kahlotus

Gun prohibition didn't do much to prevent the mass killing of these school children in China.

On March 12, 2010, Zheng Minsheng killed 8 children with a knife at a elementary school in Nanping, China.
http://www.aolnews.com/2010/04/28/china ... lchildren/

On May 12, 2010, Wu Huanming killed 7 children and 2 adults with a cleaver at a kindergarten in Hanzhong, China.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142 ... 31728.html

In August 2010, Fang Jiantang killed 3 children and 1 teacher with a knife at a kindergarten in Zibo, Shandong province China.
http://articles.latimes.com/2010/aug/05 ... s-20100804

Texas Susie
Texas Susie

Kahlotus:: Last I knew, there is a difference between 8 children, 7 children, 3 children and 20 children-- or maybe my math isn't any good. There was a guy in China recently that took a knife to some 22 children-- NONE killed, tho they were injured and ithey weren'tt life-threatening injuries.

Hakon Montag
Hakon Montag

Prior to the Connecticut shooting the highest number of deaths in school shootings went to Britain and Germany...go figure huh...

MontanaNative1ed7

Dear MARBUT:

Please change your address to a PO Box in another state. You are making Montana look STUPID.

Metal detectors and security are the answer. Just ask inner city neighborhoods how their schools have been secured.

Lynne McKay

Good call! Go away Marbut!

MontanaNative1ed7

Schools feel really safe when they have metal detectors and security guards. Many schools already to have metal detectors and security guards. Schools with gang violence are not going to arm their students and teachers. Over the years schools with gang violence have gone to metal detectors and security guards. Whom ever is posting that more guns be added to the school environment does not have street smarts. In addition, children learn when they feel safe. Children do not learn when their is anxiety about gun fire because they can't focus on the task of learning as easily if they are agitated.

MiddleFinger
MiddleFinger

There are two kinds of people: those who worship God, and those who worship guns.

Some of the latter try to act like the former, but fool nobody but themselve as evidenced by many of those posting comments here.

There is no amount of ammo nor number of ARs or AKs that will fill the emptiness in your life.

I know Montana is a shall issue state but before you carry, ask yourself if your life is really worth saving?

If so, then start acting like it!

Hakon Montag
Hakon Montag

Obviously there are more than two kinds of people. You're a fine example.

You are such a quandary in the things you post. You berate people for admitting to owning guns...while you openly admitted that not only do you own guns and stockpile ammo but you are proud of it.

You tell people to ask themselves if their life is worth saving...in a sarcastic tone...then you tell them if they decided it is worth saving they better act like it.

What a quandary you are...

Sukey

Hey, Connecticut did it your way, and the kids are dead. Its one of the States with the strictest gun control laws in American, everyone drives a Prius, and their kids were slaughtered. I think its your fault and the fault of everyone like you who doesn't realize how dangerous the times we live in are. Look at Dixon, he used a knife, spent 2 weeks smoking pot, and didn't have a clue what he did or why he did it. Reminds me of the old LSD days...

naps

Sukey guns and ammo sales are surging because of all of the poor ignorant people who fell for the NRAs lies about their guns rights being taken away. Hence a mad dash to stock up. The as me as we are still seeing now that these same people who have to have their toys see the writing on the wall that the rest of us have had enough and there will be changes in gun laws. If there had been an armed officer he would have been killed right a long with everyone else.

Sukey

You're right, the interviews I heard this morning were about getting MORE assault weapons..Unfortunately, the timing is bad. Obama JUST elected, and I voted for him, but heard a lot of people claiming they wouldn't because he was "going to take away our guns".
Ban assault weapons, big clips and the gun show loophole. But, please, don't waste the next four years arguing about gun control - work on the economy. Or everyone will be selling their guns for food...

chezi

Most the people I grew up with went hunting, some would go skeet shoot, etc., often times the rifle was in the window of the trucks or in the cars, never once did I fear for my life.. never once did I know of anyone who used an assault weapon to go hunting. .Assault weapons are made for the purpose of killing the most in the quickest way..The world of yesterday is over, there is no respect for the gun or the life of the innocent victims that my generation knew. Too many with emotional problems have become desensitized by the constant showing of violence in movies and games, the rage they feel becomes the violence that we read about or witness in our own lives..handing out more guns is not a solution...we as a country need positive solutions..

Dcmissoula

The second ammendment has nothing to with hunting.

Hakon Montag
Hakon Montag

How about toning down the guns and violence in movies and video games? Or at least putting stricter age requirements upon viewing them?

You touched on it and then fell short of a first step solution...probably in favor of the other solution of punishing the entire class because Johnny spoke out of turn.

It is obvious from the initial reports that the guy had mental issues. Was he being treated for them? Was he taking medication for them?

We have heard time and again how these "legal drugs" are causing all sorts of mayhem in peoples lives.

Watching

We can't tone down the violence in movies and video games, because there's another amendment to the Constitution; it's the First. And as long as video game and movie makers make money from violence, they'll keep making them. Who do you think would be in charge of the "toning down?"

Hakon Montag
Hakon Montag

It's called responsibility. Some people have it, some don't.

Dub

We can't change what happened but I happen to think that there could possibly been a different out come if someone in the school had a gun. No one will ever know for sure, but, I will always believe that it is better to be prepared for something like this type of violence than not. I'm sure that in every school there would ONE responsible person that could have access to a firearm. Much better than NONE! Personally, for what ever it is worth (probably nothing) I think that the violent video's and movies where the more people you kill the higher score you get, have more influence on mentally challenged people that access to guns. Tragic situation, but if Obama only focuses on guns, like a lot of you, you and our president are not serious about preventing this from happening again.

BlueHair

In the hands of a different reporter, this same story could have been written as an expose of the irrational thought process of Marbut and others of his ilk. Just take the last line of the story and make it the lead.

Dcmissoula

Bigotry on all counts.

DoItRight
DoItRight

Gary Marbut has shown it before, but this time he proves that he truly is NUTS.
Imagine this: A teacher leaves her purse unattended for two seconds and a student grabs the gun and decides to make a point. “Get off of that merry-go-round bucko. It’s my turn now and you’re going to get it between the eyes”
Time to dismiss Marbut for the fringe nutcase that he is and deal with real solutions to real problems. People have shown that they can’t handle cell phones while driving and laws had to be made. People have shown that they can’t handle assault weapons and now laws have to be made.

Dcmissoula

Hypotheticals never win arguments

LilyVonShtupp

And absolute statements are always false.

Hakon Montag
Hakon Montag

???

Absolute statements are always false?

So then your statement, which presents itself as an absolute...is then false?

Game-Set-Match...

Kuato

The only reason that these pencil necked ,nancy boy's(George Orwell) are here to scream" disarm me take our guns, and bring me under a nanny state" is because strong men fought and died, and gave their lives to defeat the British monarchy and the feudal system that we the pheasants lived under. While the kings men raped their women and stole their labor and taxed them to an early death. That's why the second amendment we was not created by our founders so that we can go hunting, It was created so we can defend ourselves from a tyrannical government! Just the kind of government we have today,take a good look around you Americans your country and freedoms and liberties are being taken down all around you, and this new gun control is just part of it. The second amendment gives liberty teeth to the bill of rights, and all the other amendments.

MTminded

Finally! A sane solution to the gun issue. Thank you, Kuato. Let's just revert all gun technology back to the single-shot, black powder musket. At least then our technology will be in step with the 2nd Amendment. Even a classroom of six year olds could overpower an assailant after he got off the first shot and had to reload. Pretty tough to tamp a musket barrel with a ramrod while 20 tots are kicking your shins and clawing your clothes.

Hakon Montag
Hakon Montag

Brilliant comment from MTMinded...(empty yes)

MTminded

No. I wouldn't presume to encroach on your turf (drivel).

Hakon Montag
Hakon Montag

@MTMinded (both above and below)

Obviously the Supreme Court doesn't share your belief in anitque weapons being the only thing allowed under the 2nd Amendment.

You should read the Heller decission...you just might learn something.

Then again?

BJG1

I am continuely amazed at the stupidity of the hillbillies that live in Montuckey. Why not give every child a gun and they can use it on their parents, siblings and classmates? Instead of using your trigger finger, try using your brains.

Kuato

You could always migrate to the Soviet Union?

Alan Johnson

The Soviet Union ceased to exist in 1991. Where have you been?

wes d

Kuato proves himself/herself to be an idiot with every remark. It's almost entertaining.

Dcmissoula

Go back to california, you armaphobe.

Hakon Montag
Hakon Montag

Yo genius...the shooting didn't happen in Montuckey did it...

Wild Rose

Of course gun and ammo sales have soared! Groups like Marbut's and the NRA keep their members whipped into a frenzy of fear. "Gonna be a revolution!! Haven't you read....blah blah blah?" There is absolutely NO REASON for any one, other than the military and law enforcement to have automatic weapons in this country. Period. They were banned, there was no revolution, and they should be banned again. Marbut is a nut, always has been a nut, and will continue to be a nut as long as he has an audience. Wildrose

Kuato

Sounds like the collectivist communist manifesto to me , as gun ownership goes up violent crime rates go down;FBI crime statistics prove that.

MT_Mama

Marbut is obsessed with guns and 19th-century cowboy culture. He lives in a Stan Lynde "Rick O'Shay" cartoon or a Roy Rogers movie. What a joke.

You cannot compare the damage done with assault rifles to that done by cars, etc. Cars have a purpose -- to take people where they need to go, most of time safely. Assault rifles have no purpose other than to kill many people quickly.

Donaldo

Troutcreek, good succinct comment. There is a lot to say on this however I notice that the gun advocates stress arming someone to take control in a shoot out. Why is there no discussion of securing the gun-free zone. Most of these legislators sit in a building with metal detectors at the entrances. If the discussion does turn to armed professionals in schools, those who volunteer will need be SWAT trained and will learn the odds of stopping a shooter in his tracks is not good. If ,and I say if, it comes to this, use some money to educate returning vets that have the right weapons skills as teachers and fund the program to keep up their weapons training.
A very difficult subject and not as glib as the favorite words of Mr. Macho, "I'm carrying." It takes a lot of training to be effective with a firearm in a life and death situation.

Kuato

Not true at all! many of these mind controlled shooters are programed to turn the gun's on themselves when help shows up.so their won't be any evidence. Look at the mail shooting in Portland Oregon , and armed citizen,not the police stopped that shooting.

MiddleFinger
MiddleFinger

Wow sucky, you sure seem to have all the answers. Let's see....drum roll please!

5) sue a dead person.

4) keep guns out of the hands of parents who have a child that dropped out of junior college.

3) complain about MiddleFinger's comments.

2) deal with the people that no one thinks are a problem.

And...

1) euthanize crazy people.

Yup suck, that oughta do it. Thanks.

Sukey

Wrong, you sue the ESTATE of a dead person. Gun control wouldn't have worked in this situation BECAUSE NO ONE THOUGHT THIS KID WAS A PROBLEM. Interviews with family friends said the MOM,Nancy Lanza knew she had a problem with him when he disconnected with her and dropped out of junior college. I also said you can't (don't) euthanize crazy people so YOU HAVE TO DEAL WITH THEM. You are truly deserving of your computer name, ":middlefinger".

SDBOY

Gary,get a grip on reality,you can either be part of the solution or part of the problem. The same goes for the NRA.
I probably hunt more days a year than you. I have never hunted with a person that used an assault rifle or a pistol. We cannot have more than three shells in our guns to hunt waterfowl,no more that 5 for birds or big game. Why do we need so many more to hunt people?
The people I hunt with (some of whom have names that manufacture the guns) are very concerned by the lack of accountability by some of the lobbing organizations. When I was young every kid that wanted to hunt had to take a hunter safety course to get a license,the same for people who wanted a pistol permit. The NRA put them on and was a respected organization. They were then taken over by a group people who lack moral responsibility.
They need to return to being a responsible group and lead efforts to control guns and accountability.
The country also need to address mental health issues and make sure that guns stay out of the hands of irresponsible people.

Kuato

Gun control doesn't make anybody safe! Their are hundreds of millions of honest law abiding responsible gun owners.

Hakon Montag
Hakon Montag

So like...the NRA doesn't do the Eddy Eagle program any longer...

I guess I was sleeping...

sallymander

The Shooting Sports Association can say whatever they want but the Montana Teacher's Union strongly opposes arming teachers. Pretty obvious who has more sway in this argument.

Sukey

No teacher that is not an experienced user of guns should even consider it. However, I'll bet one of the last thoughts of that 27 year old teacher who was slaughtered is that she wished she had a gun to stop that monster...

Hakon Montag
Hakon Montag

Sad if your last thought is "what if..."

montanablogger
montanablogger

Food for thought: the man who started shooting at the Portland mall stopped when confronted with by CCP holder with a drawn weapon. The CCP holder didn't fire his weapon (a deliberate choice because of all the innocent people in the background). The result was 2 dead instead of 28 dead (Newtown) or 12 dead and 58 injured (Aurora). While all of these events are tragedies, consider the markedly different outcome simply by having a civilian willing and able to make a difference.

dave ajou
dave ajou

I'm all for CCP, but when I read about the Portland incident there was only the suggestion that the shooter took himself out because he knew the CCP holder had pulled on him. I'd like to think that was the case. At any rate I would feel better knowing a responsible CCP holder was in the vicinity. Responsible as in the example cited where the shooter is not engaged because of the potential for hitting the wrong target.

Kuato

Yes Dave-ajou, finely some truth!

dave ajou
dave ajou

What do you mean "finally" Kuato ? I have rifles, pistols, shotguns. Lots of them. Pump, single shot, semi-auto, bolt action, revolver. Just because I own them doesn't mean I think having teachers should be packing them at a school. It is a regretable fact of life that we probably need a highly trained armed individual at a number of schools. I'm ready and willing to see the elimination of high capacity magazines and clips, and a requirement for having some type of broker/dealer handle 3rd party sales if I want to sell one of my firearms. I don't think anybody is disputing that NRA members and the vast majority of legal gun owners are a problem. I don't think anybody is discounting mental illness as the greatest single contributing factor. I believe as a responsible gun owner, who values his 2nd ammendment rights, that I can agree to some changes for the good of all. These wannabe militia style guns like the Bushmaster are the type of "fun" I can do without. Try showing up at hunting camp with one of those and see how long it takes you to get run off, or subdued and put in a straitjacket.

Kuato

Wow talk about and switch and bait, you like to talk out both sides of your mouth Dave-ajou.what are you a politician? Your no gun owner because if you were you would know that this is about disarmament! No two ways about it! You don't wait till all you have left is your bolt action rifle or 22cal., The morons who think the second amendment is about protecting the duck hunters rights to hunt, are just plain stupid, for crying out loud! The founders intended that the second amendment to be about protecting the military capacity of the "We the people" to overthrow an abusive tyrannical government. period!

dave ajou
dave ajou

You probably won't get back to this, but I have no problem with semi-auto. Have 2 different shotguns, and 2 rifles that are semi-auto. I don't think it's lunacy to have a discussion about the capacity for the clips, or the plug requirement for the shotguns. We are way past the point of using firearms to defeat a tyrannical government. Far easier for them to shut down your bank accounts, your credit cards, your identity. So unless you're completely off the grid and trading hens eggs for ammo, walking for transportation and living in a non-utlility shed under a false name, you're pretty well screwed anyway.

wes d

Ah Gary Marbut. Another wanna be Charlie Bronson.

Kuato

as opposed to another dictator like Moa,Stalin ,Hitler or Obama?

wes d

WTF? What in the h3ll does Mao, Stalin, Hitler or Obama have to do with this?! Kuato, you are an idiot.

Kuato

Ok I'll spell it out to you like your a two year old .Government sponsored genocide is what happens to a disarmed public! DAH!

richardr11

these gun nuts who think arming teachers is the answer need to be institutionalized.

Dcmissoula

These liberal fools who a have faith in an insitution (like our goverment) to keep us safe, is no worse than those who belive God is watching out for them..

dave ajou
dave ajou

Marbut is a certifiable loon. There are so many things wrong about even the concept of armed teachers or administrators, that it is something I would expect to read in The Onion. I'll add to MF's scenarios. Scenario #3- teacher pulls .454 as madman moves down hall, teacher has to run through mental checklist of who, and how many, are behind the walls before opening fire. Scenario #4- madman comes to school unarmed under guise of meeting with teacher, attacks teacher and uses the approved .454 for ensuing attack.
We haven't even got to the point of inquiring what insurance company would even want to quote for a school or district where faculty is packing. Under this logic we should also require bus drivers and staff to be packing, as well as playground monitors and crossing guards.

Hakon Montag
Hakon Montag

Now why would you go to an obvious extreme to attempt to make a point? It is very unlike you Dave.

A .454 is not a weapon that any sane person would recommend for defense in a school setting, let alone personal carry defense. Way too big, way too powerful, way too much RECOIL for effective second shot.

Statistics prove that a .32 is more viable than any other handgun for personal defense. Imagine that? The much maligned "Saturday Night Special" is better than any other handgun.

Why? RECOIL and effective second shot, third shot, forth shot placement. The .380 comes in a close second to the .32. The .32 is preferred over the .25 and the .22 simply because it has a little more power, but still low enough RECOIL for effective shot placement.

dave ajou
dave ajou

Hakon, I realize there are far better calibers and configurations, I just used middle finger's example, he said he was being facetious about the caliber. I assumed that in the first place. Let's call it a .22 mag, I still don't like the fact that a teacher has to worry about the background, or being overpowered and having the firearm taken away. Makes sense to me to have a resource officer, or another qualified individual like a number of posters offered, on site and ready to react. I suspect that we are from roughly the same era. I remember the Cold War drills and being required to practice taking cover under a desk. Fortunately for us, that scenario never materialized. I lament the loss of innocence, and the fact that what was once a drill for us, is a fact of life for them. Merry Christmas my friend.

Hakon Montag
Hakon Montag

Ditto...Merry Christmas and Happy New Year too. (I hope)

I never liked crawling under my desk at school...

JaneDough
JaneDough

When the cops show up, how do they know if the guy with a gun in his hand is the "bad guy" or the "good guy"? Espcially if there is still shooting going on. Does the good guy put down his weapon? The question you have to ask yourself is....do I feel lucky? Well do ya, punk?

walter12

How about some criminal control, how about some control of the insane?

Gulick

"...how about some control of the insane?"

Marbut?

saltine

This man is a delusional idiot.

Been There

If we decide to arm teachers in schools, these teachers must agree to a psychological evaluation and training in the use of weapons. There are no easy answers to the violence in America. We may be letting the fox in the henhouse if a teacher should NEVER be allowed to carry a weapon in a setting with defenseless children.

yawn

what happens when a teacher grabs their gun in an attempt to kill a shooter and they shoot one of their students? how do you as a parent react when you find out that it wasn't the shooter that killed your son or daughter, but their teacher?

Hakon Montag
Hakon Montag

Teachers getting a psych eval???

We wouldn't have enough teachers after that...

Sukey

Those parents need to sue the estate of Nancy Lanza, the Mother of the guy who killed all those kids. She knew her son had mental problems, but she had weapons readily available to him, including - according to Fox News- THREE assault weapons. She took him to the gun ranges and did target practice with him. He'd already dropped out of Junior College, and she knew there were problems. It looks like quite a palatial estate she lives in, in one of the wealthiest counties in America. She had the money to get help, this wasn't a poor person without means to do anything....

Watching

What a great idea, Sukey! The parents of murdered first graders should sue the estate of the mother of the killer! That should make them all feel much better! Way to think!

Sukey

I'll bet you dollars to donuts they will. When your family members are murdered, you get around to it eventually. Part of the grieving process, eventually you're mad.

Pistol

Ridiculous statement!

montanablogger
montanablogger

Sukey, only the Bushmaster could be labelled an "assault weapon". The other weapons were two handguns, a shotgun, and a bolt-action rifle; none of those are "assault weapons" by any stretch of the definition.

Sukey

He wasn't armed at school with three assault weapons, the cops going through their home have found 3 assault weapons, all belonging to the killer's Mother..

Hakon Montag
Hakon Montag

Only one assualt weapon (Bushmaster) was owned by mommy. The two other rifles at home were a shotgun and a bolt action.

Kuato

twisted logic !

montanamuralist
montanamuralist

The thing that is disturbing here is Marbut really does not realize how stupid he sounds. The comments below talk about why in a much better way than I could. He talks about the number of students killed last year and ignores Aurora and the gun culture as a whole. If we can not protect our kids and think arming teachers is a good idea, people there to teach and instruct and nurture, well on its face that is just beyond reality. I advocate for the idea that if we can protect airports, we can protect our students. Assault military weapons that I used in the military are not necessary in our homes. Sorry, that is also a reality of the society w live in.

Roger
Roger

Who are you to try to tell people what they need? Sometimes order breaks down, and the police cannot or will not protect you - for example, the Los Angeles riots after the Rodney King episode, Hurricane Katrina, etc. The more good people with guns, the better.

One thing is certain - morons like you certainly shouldn't be setting the rules.

troutcreek

Men who make statements like “I wish I could’ve been there. If I had been there, it would have been one (victim) and done.” are generally the first to panic in a crisis. Talk is cheap.

Roger
Roger

I suppose you've got a source for that lunatic statement?

Hakon Montag
Hakon Montag

...as cheap as your talk I guess...

BR

Mr. Marbut's opinions used to be the butt of jokes; now he is, and it is not funny.

Stan Reck
Stan Reck

PL, by your logic we should not sell sports cars because there is no need for them. We should regulate soft drinks because there is no need for them. Clothing stores that sell extravagant items should close because there is no need for them. Jewelry stores should be shuttered because there is no need. Get my point? You are not the authority on what is needed and necessary. Is that beer or wine in your hand really needed? Want to implement government sponsored prohibition for that again?....because your government interference model worked so well in that case.

Kuato

Come on folks, you can not be so naive, so childlike in trusting in the government. They have the ability and technology to create these programed killer "Manchurian Candidates, and have had it for fifty years or better. From Sirhan Sirhan,Mark David Chapman, Jared Longhner to James Holmes, just to name a few.Did it ever occur to you that these mass shootings are black opps, staged events in order to bring about the disarmament of the American people. Read up on the known history of the CIA and their MK ULTRA mind control program. Go to www.trutv.com/conspiracy /government for a good start. Stand up for our second amendment and bill of rights. Don't be manipulated into giving up your rights, arm yourself with knowledge and fight back.

Keni
Keni

Manipulating fear in the populace to bring about specific legislation, such as gun control is nothing new. It's been going on in governments for centuries. Here's some interesting information on gun control that appeared on FB recently from the ConservativesClub:

A LITTLE GUN HISTORY

In 1929, the Soviet Union established gun control. From 1929 to 1953, about 20 million dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

In 1911, Turkey established gun control. From 1915 to 1917, 1.5 million Armenians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

Germany established gun control in 1938 and from 1939 to 1945, a total of 13 million Jews and others who were unable to defend themselves were rounded up and exterminated.

China established gun control in 1935. From 1948 to 1952, 20 million political dissidents, unable to defend themselves were rounded up and exterminated.

Guatemala established gun control in 1964. From 1964 to 1981, 100,000 Mayan Indians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

Uganda established gun control in 1970. From 1971 to 1979, 300,000 Christians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

Cambodia established gun control in 1956. From 1975 to 1977, one million educated people, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

Defenseless people rounded up and exterminated in the 20th Century because of gun control: 56 million.

You won't see this data on the US evening news, or hear politicians disseminating this information.

Guns in the hands of honest citizens save lives and property and, yes, gun-control laws adversely affect only the law-abiding citizens.

Take note my fellow Americans, before it's too late!

The next time someone talks in favor of gun control, please remind them of this history lesson.

With guns, we are 'citizens'. Without them, we are 'subjects'.

During WWII the Japanese decided not to invade America because they knew most Americans were ARMED!

If you value your freedom, please spread this antigun-control message to all of your friends.

SWITZERLAND ISSUES EVERY HOUSEHOLD A GUN!

SWITZERLAND'S GOVERNMENT TRAINS EVERY ADULT THEY ISSUE A RIFLE.

SWITZERLAND HAS THE LOWEST GUN RELATED CRIME RATE OF ANY CIVILIZED COUNTRY IN THE WORLD!!!

IT'S A NO BRAINER!

DON'T LET OUR GOVERNMENT WASTE MILLIONS OF OUR TAX DOLLARS IN AN EFFORT TO MAKE ALL LAW ABIDING CITIZENS AN EASY TARGET.

Spread the word everywhere you can that you are a firm believer in the 2nd Amendment!

It's time to speak loud before they try to silence and disarm us.

You're not imagining it, history shows that governments always manipulate tragedies to attempt to disarm the people~


Pasted from <http://www.facebook.com/ConservativesClub

Kuato

Glad to see other Americans eyes wide open and awake!

Hakon Montag
Hakon Montag

Ditto...

Hakon Montag
Hakon Montag

Too much information Kuato (like the handle)

The masses simply don't want to know the truth. They sleep better at night.

Bittersweet
Bittersweet

Why do so many gun control advocates want an officer at every school? What could an (on site) officer have done to prevent deaths in this latest tragedy?

Roger
Roger

Possibly he could have stopped the attack - he'd have heard the nutcase shooting his way through the glass door, and would have been prepared to take out the culprit.

Bittersweet
Bittersweet

Hrmmmmm...Portland mall stopped only when confronted by armed individual, Conn school stopped murdering only as armed individuals ran down the hall towards him. Go figure.

Keni
Keni

Ever hear of the Pearl River, MS school shooting? Probably not, the 16-year-old kid was stopped by Assist. Principal Joel Myrick who retrieved his .45 pistol from his car.

Sukey

I'm not a gun control advocate, other than a ban on assault weapons and large clips. I fully support Gary Marbut. And, I believe ONE RESPONSIBLE PERSON at that school should have had a gun locked in his desk. I don't care if its the guy who cleans toilet, if he's licensed to carry and knows how to do it, he could have shot back. These "gun free zones" made these kids "sitting ducks". I feel much safer on planes if I know there's probably a Federal Marshall there. I believe there's going to be a lot more home schooling after this. Who would send a kid to public school anymore in a State with gun control laws like Connecticut has? I really don't think arming teachers is a good idea, they're in the same room with the kids.

Keni
Keni

I went to elementary schools in the 50s and high schools in the early 60s, At that time, before the 1968 Gun Control Act, you didn't need permission to buy a gun. Just walk into a store and buy it. You could order them through mail order catalogs like from Sears and such. There were no gun shootings or mass shootings of innocent people. The 68 Gun Control Act was pushed through by telling people "we are taking guns away from people who commit crimes with guns" That is, do an armed robbery and you lose your Second Amendment rights. People though, yea, that's a good idea keep the guns from the bad guys. And passed it. As we know now, it so doesn't work. Bad guys got them. Also, the '68 gun control laws were designed to stop mail order guns -- to keep people in the Black Ghettos from ordering them through the mail as many were rioting for more freedoms, freedoms they so deserved in Our country.

My point is that before the gun restrictions requiring Government background checks and and such, schools were safe. No mass shootings in them.

So the solution isn't in arming Our teachers now, or more gun controls -- but in figuring out why these constant mass shootings are taking place.

Let's start looking at the pressures placed upon people in our society today that are causing so many to grab a weapon and then start blasting away at innocent people in schools, malls, restaurants and other places.

A gun is but a tool.

I'd suggest lower rents, lower gas prices and lower food prices to take the pressure off parents and mellow out family life a bit.

dave ajou
dave ajou

Charles Whitman, the University of Texas Bell Tower shooter who killed 14 people and injured dozens in 1966, bought two additional guns on his way to the tower. His rampage lasted over 90 minutes. Your version of history has some major flaws.

Keni
Keni

Strange, dave ajou, you lack a "reply" button. Not fair.

I was talking about the 50s and early 60s. 66 would be mid sixties don't your think? In either case both were before the 68 Gun Control Act and I'm sure Whitman was one of the contributing factors to it's passage. I lived just a few miles from the '63 Watts riots in LA then.

dave ajou
dave ajou

Sorry Keni, you lacked a reply button on your response too ! Yep, '66 would definitely be mid sixties. It sure seems to me as a kid growing up here that when I went to the Missoula gun stores with my dad, the guns were almost exclusively for hunting, and I honestly can't remember anything remotely resembling the arsenal we see today. I know I would have remembered, because I would have wanted one. A simpler time, fewer choices, less exposure to violence. But I sure like your notion of lower rent, cheaper gas and lower food prices.

Hakon Montag
Hakon Montag

@Dave (below)

Not to split hairs or anything but gun shows for years have been the place to buy old military rifles. I'm sure at gun shows in the 60's one could have purchased many military relics. During the 60's the popular gun would have been akin to an M1A or M14.

One of my most valued today is a WWII model.

Let's also not forget that "technology" and the asthetics (looks) of guns has changed somewhat over the years. Why just a few years ago it was rare to see a gun equiped with a flashlight. Now they are pretty common. Along with laser sights, red-dot scopes, illuminated reticle scopes, night vision, etc...

Technology changes, so do guns and their add-ons.

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20110921072533AArsRts

The "modern" type assault rifle was definately around since the late 50's.

tired of spin

I would suggest you look at NRA in 1973 when they went bizarrely militant and scared the hell out of a segment of shooters and pushed assault type guns. MFG's were seeing gun sales drop off and NRA morphed to full blown militant extremes, referred to ATF as blacked booted thugs, got way to right. They did nto sell to well not to far back, They ended up GIVING AWAY membership to increase numbers, and last election took $4.3 MILLION from KOCH BRO"s to sway elections. They are primary lobby for gun MFG's, NOT hunters etc. but MFG's They will go to any extreme to sale guns, accessorizes, now even pushing for all states to legalize silencers for hunting guns AKA Assault types. I can only guess as what happens when someone gets assault gun with a silencer and goes on killing spree. NRA was once a great shooter and hunter groups, their Rifleman Mag tops on hunting, target etc, mow more a military manual. So that is what happened, also draft ended in 73 and lots of wanna be soldier, swat etc, if you doubt it jus look at gun sites and names they put on the assault type stuff so some can be more manly-man, and avoid real Army and combat.

MontanaNative1ed7

Middle Finger: What you write rings true!

Buzz Feedback
Buzz Feedback

Gary thinks the social order is flawed so he's going to impose it at gunpoint. Hobbes would be proud.

MontanaNative1ed7

pl: thank you for your comment!

pl

We have more guns in this nation than any other nation.....yet we have more killings with guns than any other nation. More guns are not the answer. Teachers go to college to teach, not to be security guards. If you want your schools armed, then arm them with trained professionals! If the government can't pay for them, then let the parents pay for the protection of their own kids. Arming teachers is not the answer. There is no need for semi automatic weapons for citizens in this country. People are going nuts now buying these guns because they are afraid they will be taken off the market. What the hell are you going to do with them after you get them home? Put that money toward creating a job and employing a professional to be in your schools to protect your children instead! I watch these fools on the news who are complaining about how the prices have escalated and they can't really afford to buy one, but they will anyway. I know people who have guns in their homes with NO locks on them, no safe, and tell me they are "hidden" from their kids. How safe are you keeping your own kids at home if you do that? We need tighter gun controls, better mental health care and ways to get help for those that need it, and a limit on the capacity of all magazines to 8 bullets. The LAST thing we need is more guns sitting around in everyone's closet without locks and without being in a safe. How safe was Nancy Lanza, who legally owned 6 guns, 4 of which were assault weapons? Owning a gun obviously didn't save her. In fact, it got her killed. We require more of our citizens to drive a car than we do to own a gun. We continually add laws that change our driving habits....speed limits, insurance coverages, inspections, no texting or cell useage, no drunk driving (except in Montana). Why are guns soooo special that NO regulation of them in any manner can even be mentioned without the NRA flipping out. Once Americans unite, the NRA will be a silent wimp and it's happening now.

Roger
Roger

Owning a car can get you killed too - maybe we should ban them.

tired of spin

IT would seem only the cars based on combat use would suffice.

Roger
Roger

Actually there are numerous countries with higher murder rates than the USA's. Try to be honest, and don't just write anything that pops into your head.

Kuato

You have presented a lot half-truths and untrue assumptions,not a good piece of propaganda here at all; a classic straw man argument. The armed American is the best civil defense against "the Manchurian candidate "attacks period!

MiddleFinger
MiddleFinger

Marbut's delusions again...

“I wish I could’ve been there. If I had been there, it would have been one (victim) and done.”

The whole hero on the white horse riding in to splatter the bad guy's brains all over the lockers is the kool-aid these guys drink. Gary imagines some guy pulling a gun right in front of him, or a zombie dude playing easy-target while trying to kill others.

Here's what would have happened Gary. Scenario #1: Upon hearing the first bang, you pull your stainless steel .454 Casull with 12" barrel from your shoulder holster and the school safety officer fills your head full of lead before you even turn around.

Or scenario #2: A loud bang...your pull your piece, the school safety officer pulls his. You come face to face around a corner and plug each other. Meanwhile the real bad guy continues his rampage with even less concern then before. Oh, and Gary, you will be happy because you'll find yourself in the headlines again.

You see Gary, real life is much more complex. And that is also why the cops (aka the good guys) don't want you running around schools while packing heat.

Oh, and luckily in scenario 2 you didn't shoot a teacher. Then you would have been an accomplice to the gunman. And nobody would be at your defense. We would just be shaking our heads saying I knew it would happen someday.

Sukey

There was no armed school safety officer, that's why all those kids died. Gary's correct. You can either euthanize crazy people or be prepared to deal with them. Since many of these killings were by people no one felt may be a problem, such as Sandy Hook, or no one attempted to avert the problem - like the failure of Aurora's University to do anything about that deranged killer since he left the Univerisity- you better be prepared. In spite of comments like Middlefingers, gun sales and ammo sales are surging.

tired of spin

YEP all those wanna be swat, spl ops, recon etc in their camo;s and assault type guns, The sale of which goes up every time such folks "Traditionally celebrate another mass murder". Sick bunch

MontanaNative1ed7

yep!

tired of spin

That guy shot little kids ten times each, how convenitent for the murders he had 30 rd mags and did not have to take time to reload, Yep so we can sell 30-350rd mags, he did not have to reload so often. Now are not all of you that insist such mags are needed really proud of selves. Time to limit long/handgun mags to 10 although would really prefer six. There is no need or right of any kind for such massive firepower and it just might help as most every massacre has been attend by high capacity mags

alljack
alljack

There was an armed duty school safety officer on duty when the Columbine massacre happened. You should try a little harder to know what you're talking about. You wouldn't look so dumb.

Roger
Roger

Your scenarios are just stupid, you phony - you actually believe Marbut would arm himself with a .454 Casull in a case like that?

MiddleFinger
MiddleFinger

It's an inside joke rog.

Guess that means you are not on the inside.

Nothn' I can do about that. Sorry.

Hakon Montag
Hakon Montag

One shouldn't "joke" about such things...should one...

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