My husband and I are 35-year residents of the Bitterroot Valley. We raised our two children here and our three grandchildren also call the Bitterroot Valley home.

We have attended the Memorial Day parade in Corvallis for all of those 35 years. Never have I been so embarrassed for the residents of this valley as I was when the Republican float passed by. Behind one of the pickups was an outhouse with the sign “Obama Presidential Library.” I don’t care who you are or what party you vote for, Barack Obama is our president and deserves our respect as the Commander-in-Chief of our country.

The Memorial Day parade is a parade to show our appreciation and respect for those who have served or are currently serving our country. It has also become an event for aspiring public officials to show their patriotism and to ask for our votes. It is not the place to encourage public disrespect of our leader and the unhealthy polarization of America.

Cathy and Leonard Ballek, Corvallis

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glacierdude
glacierdude

Hakon and Tanner.........take a breather. Neither of you is all that and your sissified hissy fits have made this one of the most boring and least informational letters sections I have ever tried to follow. Why don't the two of you square off behind the 7-11 and scratch one another's eyes out!

Hakon Montag
Hakon Montag

Everyone is free to post as they please. It seems it applies to even you.

Hakon Montag
Hakon Montag

*** Sorry everyone. I forgot that Tanner really is that stupid. So I'll comment as I go along here...

Tanner - 15 hours agoMontag said.."First of all, Obama was raised as a Muslim."

-First of all, he wasn't. And then you don't provide any evidence either. Lie number 1 from Montag.

*** Tanner is seen here pretending that Obama was not enrolled in Muslim studies while growing up in Indonesia. There are numerous records that show this.

(montag)"Once a Muslim always a Muslim."

-Lie number 2. Just like any other religion, a person can make a choice to leave the faith.(Even though you may be killed for it in some countries) Just like Christians can lose their faith and become atheists.

*** Tanner is shown here pretending that what I said was a lie. My direct reference was that it is part of the Muslim religion to behead anyone who attempts to leave the religion. He of course knows this since he stated it himself. Just as I did...but he claims mine is a lie...

(montag)"I am surprised no one has called for his head to be lopped off yet, as it is the punishment for leaving the faith. He attended a church run by yet another "Muslim convert"...the Reverend Wright used to be a Muslim. So who is lying?"

-Lie number 3. Reverend wright was never a Muslim either, and again you provide no evidence. Just more straight up lies.

***After many lectures like this, Obama decided to take a second look at Wright’s church. Older pastors warned him that Trinity was for “Buppies”–black urban professionals–and didn’t have enough street cred. But Wright was a former Muslim and black nationalist who had studied at Howard and Chicago, and Trinity’s guiding principles–what the church calls the “Black Value System”–included a “Disavowal of the Pursuit of Middleclassness.’”

So easy to find as well...http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2008/04/obamas-pastor-w.html

(montag)"You see no reason to suspect he doesn't believe in our form of government?"

-No, if he doesn't believe in our form of government, then why does he participate in it?

*** In his own words to "fundamentally change America"...http://www.google.com/#hl=en&q=obama+states+he+wants+to+fundamentally+change+america&oq=obama+states+he+wants+to+fundamentally+change+america&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&gs_l=serp.3...3353.18757.0.19076.53.52.0.1.1.0.225.5653.8j43j1.52.0...0.0.LOSnKGi9h-k&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.,cf.osb&fp=1582b52c4a37667b&biw=1280&bih=917

Because there's a big conspiracy that he wants to radically change and transform our country into a communist nation and dissolve the constitution? LOL

*** Yes, a big conspiracy...LOL

(montag)"Even though he is/was a member of the "New Party" which was incorporated into the Democratic Party some time ago."

-He's a member of the democratic party Hakon. Oh, and the New party was incorporated by the democratic party huh? Care to provide some evidence for that too? Or is it such a broad and generalized statement that it has little meaning to it? Of course the new party and the democratic party share many values, but they also disagree on many as well. That's why they're different parties....

(Montag)" He also follows the beliefs of Bill Ayers and friends, who are less than what one would consider "faithful" to this countries form government."

http://www.google.com/#hl=en&q=obama+new+party+member&oq=obama+and+new+party&aq=2q&aqi=g-K1g-b1g-q2&aql=&gs_l=serp.1.2.0i30j0i8j0i22l2.106628.116540.2.120641.25.18.4.1.1.1.201.1764.2j14j1.18.0...0.0.Ezvmr72JN2Y&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.,cf.osb&fp=1582b52c4a37667b&biw=1280&bih=917

-Lie number 5, (The new party comment was number 4) Investigations during the 2008 campaign concluded that Obama has no close relationship with Ayers, let alone the lie that he follows his beliefs. What specific beliefs you don't mention.

*** So he doesn't have a close relationship with the son of the people who paid for his college. He doesn't have a close relationship with the man who was the Ghost Writer of "Dreams of my father"...only in your mind Tanner could it be said that he doesn't have a close relationship with Bill Ayers.

(montag)"Unless you consider being faithful as in blowing things up?"

-So you think Obama wants to blow things up? Other than Muslim Jihadists over in Taliban you mean? Or do you think that Obama is a secret Muslim terrorist who wants to blow up the country? lol Little paranoid Hakon?

*** Tanner pretending that the comment about blowing things up was directed at Obama, when anyone could tell that it was directed at Bill Ayers and the Weather Undergound. But that is what Tanner does...

(Montag)"He doesn't believe in capitalism? Which "you" then convert into meaning he is "Satan"."

-No doubt there are people in this country who think he is Satan, that's what I was referring too. I don't think he is "satan" I'm an atheist, don't believe a devil of any sort exists that lives beneath the earth..lol

(montag)"Again, by all his actions and policies, it can clearly be seen what he is or isn't following."

-Like what? What specific policies are you referring to and how do they lead to the conclusion that he is against capitalism?

(montag)"That's not to say that Bush Jr. wasn't guilty of and hadn't foilowed the same policies. Since Obama is simply continuing the path we have been on for "decades"."

-So bush Jr and the other politicians of the past few decades must have been against capitalism too by your standards since they did the same thing as Obama as you claim......

*** Let it be known here that TANNER is completely ignoring that fact that I have just "bashed" a conservative republican politician. Something that TANNER claims he has NEVER SEEN ME DO. I have bashed Bush Jr as many times as anyone on these blogs. Tanner doesn't care to admit it.

(montag)"...and then "you" resort to name calling "D-Bag"..."

-Yep. I did. I apply labels to people who deserve them. I'm actually surprised I got away with posting that with this new system they got going here on Missoulian.

*** Yes I see...you call people names...

(montag)"...and in yet another post you refer to the "birther issue" which in itself is a misdirection tactic, which doesn't address the issue it only "labels" it as something ugly which should be forgotten and NOT addressed."

-No it's not a "misdirection" issue Hakon, it's a real issue that many extreme right wing conservatives actually endorsed, and many conservatives in America still do endorse. There are people in this country that actually believe Obama wasn't born in America and is a Muslim socialist. Those are facts Hakon.

*** Yes those are the "facts" you wish to pretend are the only "issues" on the table about his birth. Which conveniently misdirects away from any other "issue" that someone brings up...because you "pretend" your issues are the only ones anyone ever talks about.

"By concentrating on the Birth Certificates themselves, which have been proven to be falsified by numerous document analysts, and can easily be verified as false by anyone with a computer, and ignoring the "real issue" of his birth, which is that he was born a "dual citizen" which in no way shape of form can ever be counted as a "natural born citizen""

-SO you are a birther! LOL,

*** You know what I have posted many times before...but you "pretend so well" don't you...

Born a "dual citizen"?? Evidence bud.

*** Oh please. Evidence? His father was a BRITISH SUBJECT. Are you that stupid? Oh yea, sorry I forgot, you are that stupid.

And no, numerous document analysts haven't falsified the birth certificates(short or long form).

*** And yes, numerous document analysts have shown that the birth certifactes are falsified. You simply do not want to "believe" what they are saying...kind of like bursting your bubble eh what?

http://www.google.com/#hl=en&q=obama+bc+forgery&oq=obama+BC+&aq=1K&aqi=g-K4g-sK1g-K3g-mK1g-bK1&aql=&gs_l=serp.1.1.0i30l4j0i10i30j0i30l3j0i5i30j0i8i30.657268.659945.4.674432.9.8.0.1.1.0.124.887.0j8.8.0...0.0.Sy6ZOj96xFA&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.,cf.osb&fp=1582b52c4a37667b&biw=1280&bih=917

Now ANYONE with a computer and even a simple graphics viewer program like Microsoft Office Picture Manager, can open the graphic picture and ZOOM in to any number of "alphabet letters" on the page and compare "a" to "a" and any other character on the page and see NUMEROUS differences in font "kerneling", font "type", font "alignment"...oh but that would take actually trying to look at the document and investigate it...sorry...out of your mental capability.

*** How about this VERY SIMPLE TEST...

SHOW ME ANY Birth Certificate, Long form or short form, That uses the word AFRICAN to denote the "Race or Naionality" of ANYONE on this planet???

I'll wait...HINT: The only BC's on this planet that use the word AFRICAN to denote someone's "Race or Nationality" are the TWO PRESENTED BY Barack Obama.

Odd, huh?

What is this like your 8th straight up lie now? Just assertion after assertion from you. And no evidence. You're even less intelligent than I thought. You can't provide any real criticisms, so you resort to conspiracies and lies.

*** And you resort to the same dull and tired ad nauseum attempts to ignore "evidence".

(montag)"...why he even co-sponsored the Senate Resolution to "allow" McCain to run for President under the provisions of the Naturalization Act of 1790...which clearly states "both parents" must be United States Citizens..."

-And then you're not smart enough to realize that the fourteenth amendment overrules this and grants citizenship to people born in the United States regardless of their parents' race, citizenship, or place of birth. So that's a irrelevant point you brought up. I'm sure glad we're bringing up 200 year old racist laws Hakon....I should expect nothing less of you..lol

*** Ah now he calls me a racist for bringing up the Naturalization Act of 1790...which doesn't mention RACE in it at all. Then he attempts to assert that the 14th Amendment "overrules" this Act of Congress anyway...Look MORON...the Senate actually has the written out resolution for even MORONS like you to read. There is a "reason" they referred to this "Act of Congress"...because the 14th Amendment DOES NOT DO WHAT YOU CLAIM IT DOES. So they went to the "repealed Act of 1790" (it was repealed in 1795) and stated that IT was the basis that they were granting their SENATE RESOLUTION.

“Because he was born to American citizens, there is no doubt in my mind that Senator McCain is a natural born citizen,” said Leahy. “I expect that this will be a unanimous resolution of the Senate.”

“My assumption and my understanding is that if you are born of American parents, you are naturally a natural-born American citizen,” Chertoff replied.

RESOLUTION

Recognizing that John Sidney McCain, III, is a natural born citizen.

Whereas the Constitution of the United States requires that, to be eligible for the Office of the President, a person must be a ‘‘natural born Citizen’’ of the United States;

Whereas the term ‘‘natural born Citizen’’, as that term appears in Article II, Section 1, is not defined in the Constitution of the United States;

*** WHAT??? NOT DEFINED IN THE CONSTITUTION??? Say it ain't so??? TANNER JUST SAID THAT THE 14th Amendment covered it??? HINT: to dimwits like TANNER, the 14th Amendment is considered as "part of the Constitution"...hence when the SENATE states that "it is not defined in the Constitution"...they already have looked at any AMENDMENTS for guidance...

(back to the resolution)

Whereas there is no evidence of the intention of the Framers or any Congress to limit the constitutional rights of children born to ***American citizens*** (plural huh?) serving in the military nor to prevent those children from serving as their country’s President;

Whereas such limitations would be inconsistent with the purpose and intent of the ‘‘natural born Citizen’’ clause of the Constitution of the United States, as evidenced by the First Congress’s own statute defining the term ‘‘natural born Citizen’’;

*** WAIT WHAT??? As evidenced by the FIRST CONGRESS'S OWN STATUTE DEFINING THE TERM....that would be the Naturalization Act of 1790...

(montag)"But then you were talking about "proof" weren't you? During your "rant" you showed no proof. But "that" is what your side does so well...isn't it."

-I never made any claims for where I would need to provide proof. I simply questioned the statements from Dan and asked for some evidence. Usually the person making the positive claim holds the burden of proof. You see, if there is no evidence to support the claims made by him or you, then I'm justified in not believing said claims.....I know that's a hard concept for you to grasp though..

*** Well I showed you "proof"...now you can do your song and dance of denial...

boo boo da bear
boo boo da bear

I wash born here, an I wash raished here, and dad gum it, I am gonna die here, an no sidewindin' bushwackin', hornswagglin' cracker croaker is gonna rouin me bishen cutter.

MiddleFinger
MiddleFinger

It's too bad that the LTE contains the names of those who sent it. They will now undoubtedly be the targets of discrimination and vandalism. You see, Bitterroot Valley republican (or BVR) is a disease that causes an overinflation of self-worth at the expense of society.

BVR knows no limits or cure. The only possible outcomes are arrest, shoot out with police, or heart attack from a seriously bad diet.

Better keep a fire extinguisher handy for the burning cross that will likely show up on your lawn. Oh, keep your pets in doors from now on, or at least until the next patriotic American like yourself exercises their First Amendment Right and invokes the wrath of these communist-doctrine loving republicans.

Oh hey republicans, THE TALIBAN CALLED AND THEY WANT THEIR FLOAT BACK!

Hakon Montag
Hakon Montag

Oh look Martha...a died in the wool liberal accusing the Republicans of being communists.

How quaint.

We all know what BVD stands for...you often see the liberals wearing them on their heads.

BR
BR

It was very interesting for me to see the comments on this LTE since I once taught US History at Corvallis and attended that parade to watch WWI, WWII, Korean, and VietNam veterans like myself march proudly up the street.

My president is none of the things asserted by his critics here, and so I must ask where such tripe is coming from--perhaps a diseased psyche in a couple of cases--since I have kept tabs on the more standard misinformation media that has grown up with the Rupert Murdock crowd and this stuff is not of that stripe. I am deeply ashamed such people could display such awful disrespect in public, then spread verbal diarrhea trying to justify it. Just awful!

Hakon Montag
Hakon Montag

One can only surmise that from your admonition of keeping tabs on the "more standard misinformation media"...that you have neglected to keep tabs on the "more standard regular media" that gives full coverage to each and every word spoken by "your president" in which he more than once has shown disrespect for this country, it's citizens, and it's soldiers.

Maybe you should keep tabs on the regular media, instead of pretending that what the "Rupert Murdock" group is doing is somehow...irrelevant.

BR
BR

You wrongly surmise.

Hakon Montag
Hakon Montag

Well then by your own assertion you are simply a "party hack" who doesn't care what wrongs his party commits.

Me? I'm an equal opportunity basher. As they say..."if the shoe fits, you can shove it up your..." I apply that equally across the board to whomever shows they "deserve it".

BR
BR

Wrong again.

Tanner
Tanner

By the looks of it, I haven't seen one comment from you that bashes conservatives or the republican party. So you claim your an "equal opportunity" basher, but don't practice it. It seems you have a distorted perception of yourself where you believe your rational in all aspects of politics, regardless of party affiliation......but sadly that doesn't seem the case. Maybe you could provide a criticism of a republican or conservative official to satisfy my doubts....

5inchheels
5inchheels

I did attend the Corvalis parade and noticed there were more than a dozen entries representing Republican candidates and only three for the Democrats. Maybe the issue with this LTE is the fact that Liberals were not better represented? That said, if M/Mrs. Balleck are unhappy with the disrespect shown for the President, they should take into account how Obama has himself 'modeled' disrespectful behavior in talking about this country: "the US is no longer exceptional" or by bowing before foreign dignitaries or "the US constantly makes mistakes" or calling the police "stupid" or saying Republicans want people to have "dirty water and disease" or Michelle Obama saying she never respected this country until her husband ran for President. Obama is responsible for always playing the 'race' card; for 'class warfare'; for blaming all his problems on George Bush instead of taking responsibility for the mess he has created and on and on. It is true that what goes around comes around. So because Obama 'flushes' this country down the toilet as often as he possibly can, perhaps he's only getting some of what he has put out there.

Tanner
Tanner

Please provide the evidence that Michelle Obama never respected this country before her husband took office, and that Obama called police stupid. The U.S does make mistakes, just like any other country, because there run by human beings, who make mistakes........The U.S. isn't exceptional in some areas including education and our credit rating, which many republicans have also said.....so it's not just Obama. Republican's aren't for dirty water and disease, but in general they are more concerned about the economy and pieces of symbolic paper than the environment and it's health, which has a direct effect on us, since we're apart of the environment. That's what's implied by the comment, but it's also a political campaign comment. I hardly, if not ever, hear Obama play "the race card". But if you'd like to provide a source to him doing that, that would be great. but you are incredibly naive if you don't think that there are a lot of people in this country who exhibit racist behavior towards our president. I've listened to my own friends exhibit this behavior. By the way George W did create this mess, or was responsible for it, Obama has just done a average/mediocre, sometimes worse than that at, job at getting those millions of jobs back. I don't think the flusing analogy is even close to being accurate, as we are still creating jobs every month, whether it's 260,000 jobs or only 69,000 jobs. Better than losing jobs.

Hakon Montag
Hakon Montag

You're not serious right? "I hardly, if not ever, hear Obama play "the race card".

"If I had a son he would look like TRAYVON..."

Are you that out of touch with reality? (on second thought...)

Tanner
Tanner

LOL-And how exactly does this comment qualify as racism or him playing the race card?? Are you that out of touch with reality Montag? Does that insult you or something? The kid died Hakon. He was trying to be nice and respectful to the kid's family.

Hakon Montag
Hakon Montag

Michelle Obama: “All This Just For a Flag” « Alan Stock – The Voice ...
alanstock.com/michelle-obama-“all-this-just-for-a-flag”-2
May 14, 2012 – The internet is buzzing with a video of First Lady Michelle Obama apparently ... either of them since they do not “respect” our country and flag!

...and her famous but often misquoted, or taken out of context statement

"For the first time in my adult life, I am really proud of my country." (said after election 2/2008)

..and jobs? Unemployment went up. Is that still better than losing jobs? So creating 69,000 jobs isn't enough if a larger number became unemployed.

But that is just "math" which is irrelevant.

Tanner
Tanner

So you provide a video where you have to try and guess what she said by reading her lips? Part of which are covered anyway? Great evidence Montag. She could have said a number of things about the flag. I'm going to need better evidence than lip reading videos where it's hard to read what she is saying. As for the jobs report, I am in no way saying that 69,000 jobs is good(nor did I imply it), it's terrible. But it's not flushing our country down the toilet or whatever the statement was. There's also a difference between job creation and unemployment, which has a lot to do with whether people are actually looking for work or not. I believe unemployment rose like one tenth of a point. What was it? 8.2 to 8.3 or something? Oh no. Country is going down the crapper. lol No montag, math is very important. It's not irrelevant.

BWO
BWO

I would think a public apology is in order from the Republicans? we are all Americans and folks from all political sides serve in the military and serve their country in many other ways as well.
shameful behavior and so telling of their parentage.

ouch
ouch

Touched a Democrat nerve? Ever heard Bill Maher, Jeremiah Wright, Wanda Sykes, and similar foulmouth Lefties on national media trashing Republican leaders? Jon Stewart, David Letterman? The Obama Library float had no profanity about it. Just good fun. Lots of laughter and applause from the hundreds of spectators along the parade route. Many "thumbs up" and not a single finger wave. To borrow a phrase from a Jack Nicholson movie, "You can't handle the truth." Politics does not have to be nasty or profane, but it can and should be fun.

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Hakon Montag

When is the last time you attended the Corvallis Memorial Day Parade? Just curious.

Hakon Montag
Hakon Montag

Since I don't live there I have never attended it. I suppose now in your eyes that makes me somehow a bad person.

When was the last time you attended The Vigilanty Day parade in Helena?

Does it really matter? (No)

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"Maybe then we should start listing the classless and childish antics and remarks of those from the Democratic pool?"

By all means, please do list the classless and childish antics and remarks from the Democratic pool at the Corvallis Memorial Day Parade and don't be afraid to go back a few years.


Hakon Montag
Hakon Montag

Odd, that you want to exclude any Democratic event outside of the Democratic pool who participated in the parade?

Maybe you could enlighten us as to why there were only three Democratic floats?

Doesn't seem the Democrats "value" the parade very much to begin with.

ShowMe
ShowMe

Thank you Mr. and Mrs. Ballek for speaking up. There is no need for this type of hateful, childish behavior. Ask any first grader who is learning about bullying and respect for others in a classroom. They would easily see this behavior for what it is .....WRONG!

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This parade is about honoring our Veterans not about some childish politician who obviously can't draw attention to his canidacy by touting how he can best serve the people of Ravalli County or the State of Montana so has to resort to antics. Please spare us your lectures about the First Amendment, no one is saying this person doesn't have the right....just that it's so classless and childish. As someone who has attended this Parade for years, I did not see this level of hatred on display for previous Presidents. The point is that we in Ravalli County, until lately, have been able to disagree with each other and still maintain respectful behavior. It's a shame to see this Parade that is over 100 years old be turned into political hackery rather than what it is meant to be. The Veterans have earned respect. I suppose may not in the eyes of Dan Short or Roger but certainly in mine.

Hakon Montag
Hakon Montag

Maybe then we should start listing the classless and childish antics and remarks of those from the Democratic pool?

We could start with the guy who actually did steal the Office of the President...

The_Boneshackler
The_Boneshackler

G.W,. Bush and the corrupt activist Supreme Court?

wes jh
wes jh

I'm guessing that you have refused to accept the findings of the numerous newspaper organizations that examined the results of the 2000 election and could not find evidence of what you claim. Or were you meaning the all democrat Florida Supremes?

Tanner
Tanner

Montag demonstrates his idiocy by actually saying that Obama "stole" the office of the president. "Hi my name is Hakon, I can't come up with real criticisms for our president, so I just make up lies and say ridiculous things, please take me seriously and believe that I have a fully functioning brain".

Hakon Montag
Hakon Montag

...and Tanner offers absolutely nothing to another discussion. Par for the course eh?

Tanner
Tanner

.....And hakon lies since I've made like 5 or 6 other statements on this thread alone that do offer something other than insulting him. But I felt like ridiculing you for making a stupid comment. Are you mad Montag? Are you getting frustrated yet? lol Is your idea of "offering something" to a discussion to make up lies and absurd statements like the one above?

Hakon Montag
Hakon Montag

"The Veterans have earned respect. I suppose may not in the eyes of Dan Short or Roger but certainly in mine."

You see, that there "comment" is so typical of those from your camp. Neither Roger nor Dan said anything bad what so ever about any Veteran...but you "claim" they did...

And you claim that you've been able to maintain a level of respect in your conversations with political opponents...is that before or after you've insulted them?

ShowMe
ShowMe

Ditto!

wes d
wes d

I agree. Never have I seen such disrespect for the President. Yes, the Dems had their go at Bush when he was President. But, I have never seen party officials be so disrespectful. This kind of childish behavior is what you would expect from individuals or snarky bumperstickers, not from candidates or from party platforms. Not very classy.

Roger
Roger

"Never have you seen such disrespect for the president"? You must not recall much of GW Bush the younger's presidency. But as Dan Short wrote, respect has to be earned.

Tanner
Tanner

Bush W got a lot of heat, but nothing EVEN close to the amount of attacks Obama has taken. Obama has been attacked for not only his policy decisions, but his personal life as well. The birther issue. People questioning whether hes "really" a Christian. Being labeled a socialist, communist, anti-christ etc, etc.. No president in recent history has even come close to this kind of criticism and attacks.

madtaxpayer
madtaxpayer

well, as they say, if the shoe fits. Seems babama deserves every bit of criticisim we give him. and we do have the right (this is a free country) to despise our president.

Tanner
Tanner

Every bit of criticism? Which bits? The economic bits? The him not being a Christian bit? Which one?

DanShort
DanShort

It’s so sad that we have those in this nation who just don’t understand our wonder.
This nation is the inverse of all other nations ever conceived in the world’s history. As such we have a government that is charged with only one duty—protect the “liberty” and preserve the “freedom” of the individual citizen.
One of the guiding restraints our nation created to preserve liberty, of the individual, can be found in the bill of rights. One article of the Bill of Rights is the first amendment.
Should we not be mesmerized by this wonder? Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
What does this mean; abridging the freedom of speech? It is what makes this nation the wonder of the world. There is no one, and I mean no one who is immune from the natural rights of any individual to make their personal opinion about any political philosophy, or as our present scenario—ideology of cultural communism.
When a president who by his actions tells the world he does not believe in our form our government; our environment of economy; and the religion of our forefathers…preferring instead a governance of ideology that is diametrically opposed to our culture, a religion that has the same virtue, and by his actions is not even complying with the oath of this nation—protect and defend the constitution; and you are upset with some false hallucination of “respect?”
Respect is not given freely—it must be earned. There is nothing in the administration of this present mistake that has earned any respect—from anyone who believes in the American design of the miracle of this nation and its government.

wes jh
wes jh

Well said.

Tanner
Tanner

You might be right if you actually had some evidence to show for our president not believing in our form of government, or our environment of economy, or the religion of the founders. First of all, Obama is a Christian, so were most of the founders(some were deists). So that's a lie. I see absolutely no reason to suspect that Obama doesn't believe in our form of government, nor do you attempt to explain this or provide evidence. Lie number 2. And then you basically imply that Obama doesn't believe in capitalism, meaning that he's a socialist/communist/satan in disguise. Lie number 3. All you do is lie here. How exactly is his administration and governance of ideology opposed to our culture? And what aspects of our culture are you referring too? Americans in general......or just your narrow perspective? Hey D-bag, this country is full of many cultural values, that why we're a free nation, full of much diversity. It isn't just one type of culture that we value. Everyone's culture counts, whether it's your religion, political beliefs, or economic beliefs. Then you go on and say he isn't protecting the constitution(lie 4). I like people who back up their assertions. Otherwise you're just talking out of your a**. You can't come up with real criticisms of the president so you just make up lies. (when in fact you could come up with some valid criticisms, just like any other president in history) I do agree that respect must be earned, but disrespecting someone for no good reason while making up lies about them doesn't look too good for you.

Hakon Montag
Hakon Montag

First of all, Obama was raised as a Muslim. Once a Muslim always a Muslim. I am surprised no one has called for his head to be lopped off yet, as it is the punishment for leaving the faith. He attended a church run by yet another "Muslim convert"...the Reverend Wright used to be a Muslim. So who is lying?

You see no reason to suspect he doesn't believe in our form of government? Even though he is/was a member of the "New Party" which was incorporated into the Democratic Party some time ago. The New Party is an avowed socialist organization. He also follows the beliefs of Bill Ayers and friends, who are less than what one would consider "faithful" to this countries form government. Unless you consider being faithful as in blowing things up?

He doesn't believe in capitalism? Which "you" then convert into meaning he is "Satan". Again, by all his actions and policies, it can clearly be seen what he is or isn't following. That's not to say that Bush Jr. wasn't guilty of and hadn't foilowed the same policies. Since Obama is simply continuing the path we have been on for "decades".

...and then "you" resort to name calling "D-Bag"...

...and in yet another post you refer to the "birther issue" which in itself is a misdirection tactic, which doesn't address the issue it only "labels" it as something ugly which should be forgotten and NOT addressed.

By concentrating on the Birth Certificates themselves, which have been proven to be falsified by numerous document analysts, and can easily be verified as false by anyone with a computer, and ignoring the "real issue" of his birth, which is that he was born a "dual citizen" which in no way shape of form can ever be counted as a "natural born citizen"...why he even co-sponsored the Senate Resolution to "allow" McCain to run for President under the provisions of the Naturalization Act of 1790...which clearly states "both parents" must be United States Citizens...

But then you were talking about "proof" weren't you? During your "rant" you showed no proof. But "that" is what your side does so well...isn't it.

Tanner
Tanner

Montag said.."First of all, Obama was raised as a Muslim."

-First of all, he wasn't. And then you don't provide any evidence either. Lie number 1 from Montag.

(montag)"Once a Muslim always a Muslim."

-Lie number 2. Just like any other religion, a person can make a choice to leave the faith.(Even though you may be killed for it in some countries) Just like Christians can lose their faith and become atheists.

(montag)"I am surprised no one has called for his head to be lopped off yet, as it is the punishment for leaving the faith. He attended a church run by yet another "Muslim convert"...the Reverend Wright used to be a Muslim. So who is lying?"

-Lie number 3. Reverend wright was never a Muslim either, and again you provide no evidence. Just more straight up lies.

(montag)"You see no reason to suspect he doesn't believe in our form of government?"

-No, if he doesn't believe in our form of government, then why does he participate in it? Because there's a big conspiracy that he wants to radically change and transform our country into a communist nation and dissolve the constitution? LOL

(montag)"Even though he is/was a member of the "New Party" which was incorporated into the Democratic Party some time ago."

-He's a member of the democratic party Hakon. Oh, and the New party was incorporated by the democratic party huh? Care to provide some evidence for that too? Or is it such a broad and generalized statement that it has little meaning to it? Of course the new party and the democratic party share many values, but they also disagree on many as well. That's why they're different parties....

(Montag)" He also follows the beliefs of Bill Ayers and friends, who are less than what one would consider "faithful" to this countries form government."

-Lie number 5, (The new party comment was number 4) Investigations during the 2008 campaign concluded that Obama has no close relationship with Ayers, let alone the lie that he follows his beliefs. What specific beliefs you don't mention.

(montag)"Unless you consider being faithful as in blowing things up?"

-So you think Obama wants to blow things up? Other than Muslim Jihadists over in Taliban you mean? Or do you think that Obama is a secret Muslim terrorist who wants to blow up the country? lol Little paranoid Hakon?

(Montag)"He doesn't believe in capitalism? Which "you" then convert into meaning he is "Satan"."

-No doubt there are people in this country who think he is Satan, that's what I was referring too. I don't think he is "satan" I'm an atheist, don't believe a devil of any sort exists that lives beneath the earth..lol

(montag)"Again, by all his actions and policies, it can clearly be seen what he is or isn't following."

-Like what? What specific policies are you referring to and how do they lead to the conclusion that he is against capitalism?

(montag)"That's not to say that Bush Jr. wasn't guilty of and hadn't foilowed the same policies. Since Obama is simply continuing the path we have been on for "decades"."

-So bush Jr and the other politicians of the past few decades must have been against capitalism too by your standards since they did the same thing as Obama as you claim......

(montag)"...and then "you" resort to name calling "D-Bag"..."

-Yep. I did. I apply labels to people who deserve them. I'm actually surprised I got away with posting that with this new system they got going here on Missoulian.

(montag)"...and in yet another post you refer to the "birther issue" which in itself is a misdirection tactic, which doesn't address the issue it only "labels" it as something ugly which should be forgotten and NOT addressed."

-No it's not a "misdirection" issue Hakon, it's a real issue that many extreme right wing conservatives actually endorsed, and many conservatives in America still do endorse. There are people in this country that actually believe Obama wasn't born in America and is a Muslim socialist. Those are facts Hakon.

"By concentrating on the Birth Certificates themselves, which have been proven to be falsified by numerous document analysts, and can easily be verified as false by anyone with a computer, and ignoring the "real issue" of his birth, which is that he was born a "dual citizen" which in no way shape of form can ever be counted as a "natural born citizen""

-SO you are a birther! LOL, Born a "dual citizen"?? Evidence bud. And no, numerous document analysts haven't falsified the birth certificates(short or long form). What is this like your 8th straight up lie now? Just assertion after assertion from you. And no evidence. You're even less intelligent than I thought. You can't provide any real criticisms, so you resort to conspiracies and lies.

(montag)"...why he even co-sponsored the Senate Resolution to "allow" McCain to run for President under the provisions of the Naturalization Act of 1790...which clearly states "both parents" must be United States Citizens..."

-And then you're not smart enough to realize that the fourteenth amendment overrules this and grants citizenship to people born in the United States regardless of their parents' race, citizenship, or place of birth. So that's a irrelevant point you brought up. I'm sure glad we're bringing up 200 year old racist laws Hakon....I should expect nothing less of you..lol

(montag)"But then you were talking about "proof" weren't you? During your "rant" you showed no proof. But "that" is what your side does so well...isn't it."

-I never made any claims for where I would need to provide proof. I simply questioned the statements from Dan and asked for some evidence. Usually the person making the positive claim holds the burden of proof. You see, if there is no evidence to support the claims made by him or you, then I'm justified in not believing said claims.....I know that's a hard concept for you to grasp though..

Hakon Montag
Hakon Montag

If he was eligible to "be" President...I would agree with you.

Tanner
Tanner

How is he not eligible to be president? There's a difference between being qualified to be president, and "eligible". I hope you're not one of those birther idiots. But you are one of the most ignorant people on these threads, and just a straight up struggler. So who knows.

Hakon Montag
Hakon Montag

I see again you give yourself undue credit in our talks. You have to earn the right to be arrogant...you haven't.

See my post above in regard to the answers you seek. You now want to pretend to quibble over the use of "eligible and qualified"?

That's all the better you can do? Typical though...

Please though do enlighten us as to your understanding of the difference between eligible and qualified? This should be interesting...

Tanner
Tanner

"I see again you give yourself undue credit in our talks. You have to earn the right to be arrogant...you haven't."

-Oh there's a "right to be arrogant"? Where's this right montag? lol I haven't been giving myself "undue credit" for anything. I'm simply pointing out an obvious truth. You're an idiot...lol

"See my post above in regard to the answers you seek. You now want to pretend to quibble over the use of "eligible and qualified"?"

-Well now that I know you're a birther, there's no need to quibble. I know what your beliefs are regarding citizenship. Referring to 1790 racist laws that prohibit pretty much anyone but white people to become citizens.....

"That's all the better you can do? Typical though..."

-No, but it's all that's necessary...lol I've given you an a** beating too many times to have to prove myself anymore.

"Please though do enlighten us as to your understanding of the difference between eligible and qualified? This should be interesting..."

-Well for this particular topic concerning political and government offices like the president, you hear all the time about people not being qualified to run or hold an office, even though they're still "eligible" to run and hold that office if successful. Like not being experienced enough in certain fields. But eligible? That's where the birther issue comes in. Like whether or not he was born in this country. In other words you may be eligible to apply and get a certain job, but not necessarily "qualified" to have that job.

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Very well said, I felt the same way. It's just shameful that the people in charge of the parade would even allow this type of display. Please Ravalli County show a little decorum!

madtaxpayer
madtaxpayer

what is the issue really? I know plenty of men who use the bathroom as their library, men do this, it's disgusting but a fact.

Hakon Montag
Hakon Montag

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