HELENA — State officials are reviewing a proposed initiative for the 2014 ballot that would ban animal trapping on public lands in Montana.

A similar initiative failed to qualify for the 2010 election, but the issue has since received widespread attention because of the state's decision to allow wolf trapping for the first time during the 2012-13 hunting season.

Trappers say it is a necessary wildlife management tool that helps sustain and maintain some animal populations by keeping others, such as wolves, in check.

Trappers were responsible for 97 of the 225 wolves killed during the hunting season, and they were instrumental in reducing the predators' population in the state by 4 percent.

But 55 dogs were caught in traps during the 2012-13 season, according to Montana Fish, Wildlife and Parks, and there were highly publicized instances of other species, such as mountain lions, being caught.

That has helped draw attention to trapping as indiscriminant and inhumane, and should rally people to support the proposed ban, said Footloose Montana spokeswoman K.C. York.

"There are hidden land mines out there by the thousands," York said of the traps. "I think people will find what we're proposing will be fair and reasonable."

The Montana secretary of state received the proposed ballot initiative Monday from Footloose board president Timothy Provow. The proposal would make it illegal to trap or attempt to trap animals and game birds on public lands, including public lands leased to private parties.

Under the proposal, state and local government employees would still be able to conduct trapping for public health and safety.

The Legislative Services Division is reviewing the proposal. If the language is approved, Footloose would be free to gather the 24,175 voter signatures required to place it on the ballot.

Montana Trappers Association spokesman Toby Walruth said he is doubtful such an initiative could muster much support. Trapping is a part of Montana's culture and many families are financially dependent upon it, he said.

"You can't just let the wolf population get out of control. It has to have some level of control," Walruth said.

FWP runs an effective training program — 2,414 trappers completed it in the past year and 1,500 bought licenses — and the association itself is working to prohibit trapping in areas visited by a lot of people, he said.

Walruth suggested the initiative is really an attempt for Footloose to raise money and their profile, a notion that York refuted. The organization is already mobilizing support across the state in anticipation of getting a green light to collect signatures, she said.

One issue raised by the Legislative Services Division in the 2010 proposal was that the state can't pass laws binding activities on federal lands, meaning the initiative would not have applied to lands controlled by the U.S. Forest Service or Bureau of Land Management.

York said she was not familiar with that question and would have to consult with the organization's attorneys to see whether the same potential obstacle exists for the new proposal.

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LowerFork
LowerFork

There are far too many naive assumptions made here. I don't fully understand all these issues. The chance of a person or child stepping in a trap is incredibly low. And the chance of any injury occurring is essentially zero. The odds of dogs getting trapped are also low but it does happen. And again the injury potential is very low. Traps are designed to hold and keep an animal in good condition. The traps for wolves being used by public trappers are the same traps used by Feds and the FWP for research and relocate efforts. If all this effort is being put out to save a few dogs from slight injury, would it not be better to put forth this energy towards reducing the potential of something that kills so many more dogs (roadways, poor owners, etc). As far as other non target animals being caught as a percentage this is very very small. And the number of incidents that result in death of that animal are even smaller. Again if this is the big issue why not look to putting forth energy towards reducing the number of all animals killed on MT roadways each year. Something that is responsible for killing thousands of animals and several people.

I understand that a lot of people won't agree with me. Human danger associated with trapping to me is a non issue. Dogs, also not an issue. There are so many other things that pose much larger dangers for dogs. So then I ask, what is the issue here?

Wolfscat
Wolfscat

Now since wolves are being delisted, maybe the Montana FWP will allow trappers to use snares to rid our forests of Non Native Canadian wolves. Snares are way more humane than steel traps. You wolf lovers need to do 2 self test to prove what I say is fact. First borrow a MB 750 or 650 bridger wolf trap. Set it and then place your hand on the trigger. Press down until the trap snaps.After that test is completed you need to make a slip loop in a 1/4"X 8" long cable. Now anchor the remaining end of the cable to a solid tree limb about 8" high. Then stand on a chair and wrap the slip loop around your neck. Now kick the chair aside and be sure to take notes.and give the trappers in Montana an honest report on which device caused you the most suffering.

madtaxpayer
madtaxpayer

another ignorant trapper/supporter of trapping. go sit in your recliner, have a beer and watch your NASCAR. backwards hillbillies. come into the 21st century, come on little boys, we have guns now, you know the long metal things that hold bullets, pretty easy to use if you aim correctly, maybe they are too difficult for you to use? we even have indoor plumbing now, how about that! trapping is for the weak and lazy. wait, I know, you guys don't know how to use a map or compass? you would get lost in the forests if you hiked further than 20ft from the road, now I get it.

onetwopunch
onetwopunch

there are some ignorant backwards people out here for sure, but please don't give hillbillies a bad name by associating them with this guy...your right trapping is a thing of the past and the days of the good ol boys is all but a memory and a bad one at that!

Wolfscat
Wolfscat

Friday, June 7, 2013 Big Game Forever

Breaking News-National Wolf Delisting Rule Announced

Today, nationwide delisting of Canadian Wolves was announced by US Fish and Wildlife Service. See USFWS website http://www.fws.gov/. This proposed plan provides state wildlife agencies with the management flexibility needed to protect deer, moose and elk populations.

“We applaud the decision by US Fish and Wildlife Service to restore management authority over Canadian wolves in the lower 48 states. State wildlife agencies do a great job managing cougar, black bear and other large predators. With the management flexibility provided under state management, they can effectively manage and protect wolves and other wildlife populations.” Ryan Benson, President of Big Game Forever.

In a press release from US Fish and Wildlife Service about today’s proposed delisting, Service Director Dan Ashe indicates, “An exhaustive review of the latest scientific and taxonomic information shows that we have accomplished that goal with the gray wolf, allowing us to focus our work under the ESA on recovery of the Mexican wolf subspecies in the Southwest.” The full proposed rule can be viewed at: http://www.fws.gov/graywolfrecovery062013.html. The new draft delisting begins a federal rule making process that is expected to take between several months and up to a year to complete.


The proposed rule comes just weeks after 72 members of Congress sent a letter to US Fish and Wildlife Service director Dan Ashe in support of expanded wolf-delisting. The bipartisan and bicameral "Dear Colleague" letter was led by US Senators Orrin Hatch, Heidi Heitkamkp and John Barrasso in the US Senate and Representatives Cynthia Lummis, Jim Matheson, Steve Stivers and Doc Hastings in the US House of Representatives. In the letter, the Members of Congress write that “[w]olves are not an endangered species and do not merit federal protections. The full delisting of the species and the return of the management of wolf populations to State governments is long overdue. State governments are fully qualified to responsibly manage wolf populations and are able to meet both the needs of local communities and wildlife populations.” They add that State wildlife managers “need to be able to respond to the needs of their native wildlife without being burdened by the impediments of the federal bureaucracy created by the ESA.”

“Conservation-minded sportsmen are passionate about protecting 100 years of sportsmen driven conservation efforts. Sportsmen have become the voice for moose, elk and deer that are beginning to disappear from America’s landscapes. We will continue to be active in the public comment process to ensure that the protection and recovery of wild game herds remains the focus on these efforts.” Don Peay founder of Big Game Forever.

Big Game Forever remains committed to its efforts to protect abundant wildlife and to ensure states have full authority to manage and protect their wildlife. We encourage conservation-minded sportsmen and livestock producers to add their voice to these important issues by signing the online petition at http://biggameforever.org/.


madtaxpayer
madtaxpayer

great, doesn't matter to me, the wolves don't affect me, but the traps DO! now if USFWS would change the law to allow HUNTING wolves only rather than trapping, everything would be great. but oh, that might upset some of the lazy trappers who just can't seem to get off their butts and hunt like real men. too much work to hike through through the forests carrying that oh so heavy gun, poor little boys is it too far away from your lazyboy, beer and NASCAR ????

Gtekk
Gtekk

I grew up hunting. All the rants about how TRAPPING wolves is conservation?...please present some facts that justify the brutality...the wanton infliction of incredible suffering that is the result of trapping. Please bring facts. Why do I give this challenge? Because REAL hunters wouldn't touch a trap with a ten foot pole. If you're going to decimate the struggling wolf population, have a modicum of human compassion and simply kill them. What kind of people would believe trapping is in any way related to being good stewards of the earth? Have you ever seen an animal gnaw off it's leg to limp off and bleed out? It takes more than a minute to do, by the way. Is this a good thing for you? I don't know you. I know many real hunters, but choose not to know you.

RPT
RPT

It’s a no-brainer..Stop trapping and we increase hunting and perhaps include a bounty to make up for the lost harvest.
Wolves breed like rats and WILL be managed and there’s not a thing you can do to stop that.

Lindi
Lindi

If wolves bred like rats there would be a lot more than 6,100 in the lower 48. You know nothing about wolves. Either state the truth or keep your lies to yourself.

RPT
RPT

HUNTING is CONSERVATION.
Without hunting there would be NO wildlife.
Except in the parks and zoo’s.

LoneWolf25
LoneWolf25

Man, you are nuts!

richardr11
richardr11

it's time to accept that you lost. wolves are back and they are the top wildlife managers of the elk, deer, and moose. end of story.

richardr11
richardr11

hunters and trappers are wildlife killers. The wolves are the CONSERVATIONISTS.

madtaxpayer
madtaxpayer

hey richard11! stop including hunters with trappers!!! we are completely different! we actually HUNT and put an animal out of misery quickly! we don't kill other animals we are not hunting as traps will, we only kill what we are going to eat, trappers do not eat what they kill. trappers are evil, hunters are not.

Snowcrest
Snowcrest

At least Richard is being honest that he wants hunting AND trapping forever banned.
You on the other hand, think you can pretend that you're a hunter and somehow fly under the radar.
To me you're just another anti-hunter/trapper, and yes, a liar too.

Lindi
Lindi

Hunters that kill wolves don't eat what they kill.

madtaxpayer
madtaxpayer

correction, "most" hunters eat what they kill. NO trappers eat what they kill.

richardr11
richardr11

exactly, wolves hunting elk, deer, and moose is CONSERVATION.

Lindi
Lindi

That's funny because there was a lot more wildlife before humans came along and started killing it off. To you conservation means keeping the animals you want to hunt and killing everything else. That is not conservation--it is a biological disaster in the making!

RPT
RPT

Best keep in mind that if trapping is ban in Montana it just puts us one step closer to a 24/7 365 hunting season.
This attempt by the out of state vocal minority to vote this in once again is doomed to fail ...After being forced to watch Yellowstone turned into a predator pit
by a HUGE majority the people of Montana want ALL wildlife in OUR state managed.

richardr11
richardr11

anti-wildlife groups? you must be talking about hunters and trappers as hunters and trappers are both anti-wildlife. you are confused. trappers are anti-wildlife. the many animals that they trap and kill are proof of that. The sane people of Montana who care about their wildlife will most certainly support a trapping ban come 2014.

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RPT
RPT

Money talks... BS walks ... Start walking
For someone from out of state who has no skin in the game your sure anxious to spend other peoples money . Silly girl.

Wolfscat
Wolfscat

Notice the ruling would be on public land only. This will not be a ban on trapping in Montana.
I have been a trapper for over 50 years. I did trap wolves last year and I did catch a dog. Because I used the MB 750, 3/8 offset traps, the dog survived and was cared for by our local Doc until we could find a responsible owner to give the dog to.The dog was not returned to its deadbeat owner!
The owner of this dog was jailed last summer for animal cruelty. Seems he had not been feeding either of the dogs he had but let them forage for whatever prey they can kill on their own. . He sometimes lives in a tar paper shack with the 2 dogs in the Sourkrout Creek area. I had no idea the fellow had returned to his shack with his dogs until the dog was found in the trap.
The dog was digging at the dog scat that I was using for wolf lure. This female was so hungry that she was eating the dog scat under the trap. The 8LB trigger weight did not work this time. This fellows dogs were trapped 3 times last season and neither suffered any broken limbs or permanent damage. This dog was caught on private land and the manager of this ranch had warned the owner of the dogs that the dogs would be shot on sight for chasing livestock. I also had 2 dogs step directly on my traps in another area but the traps did not go off due to the 8 LB trigger weight used to keep non target animals from being trapped.
The bottom line here is that most of the dogs caught were being allowed to run during trapping season without their owners having control of their dogs.
As a hunter and Sportsman I will no longer tolerate wolves wiping out our hunting heritage.
The wolf lusting community seems to forget all the pain and suffering that wolves are causing our wildlife to suffer. Being eaten alive must be the most horrible pain any living thing can suffer.
The Hunters and trappers of Montana must do their duty to rid the woods of the Non Native Species of wolf that was dumped in our state. . Our Wildlife is depending on us.


RPT
RPT

Wolfscat... Thanks for that honest, factual , common sense , non-emotional post... Keep them coming.
The anti-hunting wolf lover groups hate when someone makes a post like that.

RPT
RPT

Do you really think they’ll be happy with just stopping trapping? Really?
I’m no big fan of trapping but I do know that if their successful with stopping trapping
their next goal will be hunting... THAT my friend is what this is all about.
Montana is a HUGE state with a very small population and an easy target with big cash rewards for
these anti wildlife, anti hunting activist groups.. Look long and hard before you leap or push that donate button.

LoneWolf25
LoneWolf25

Thanks for making me aware that I can donate to this campaign as I will certainly do that.

Lindi
Lindi

Hunters and trappers are anti-wildlife because the torture and kill them. Are you so used to killing animals that you don't know right from wrong?

BLDGImages
BLDGImages

The Trapping and Hunting Thing needs to go away Forever. Our Wildlife are not For Sale, as they belong to all of us, as part of our Natural Heritage.

Ziggypop
Ziggypop

Wow, it seems all the animal torturing sadists are out today, trying to justify their 1850s macho man disposition on why their obtuse and psychopathic brutality of trapping should go on with abandon.

Do you hear yourselves?


Dr_Resonable
Dr_Resonable

And all of you hippies spouting off emotional based rants, All this is becasue you can't watch where you are walking and let your dogs run like they own the planet. Grow up and be responsible for your own actions and the actions of your animals, and this won't be a problem.

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Dr_Resonable
Dr_Resonable

Blame the OWNER who is NOT being RESPONSIBLE for their DOG. If the simple minded owner lets their dog run free (dog at large) and not under restraint, it their RESPONSIBILITY to ensure the safety of the dog. A concept you are not familiar with (responsibility). A trap is not the only worry that a dog at large has to worry about. There are other dangers in the wilderness other than traps.
Get a clue and a life, move out of your parent's basement and join the real world.

Lindi
Lindi

Traps are like land mines that maim and kill whatever trips the pan be it dogs, cats, eagles, lynxes or wolves. The animals die slowly over several agonizing days without food, water or protection from other predators. Quit defending a practice so horrible that it has been banned or severely restricted by more than 80 countries.

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RPT
RPT

Nice try but the facts are that any dog caught running loose and not completely under it’s owners control in the national forest should be shot.
If it’s caught in a legally set trap it’s the owners fault not the trappers.

Snowcrest
Snowcrest

The majority of our citizens in Montana know the proposed trapping ban is driven by anti-hunters and pro-wolf radicals with the future goal of seeing all hunting banned as the end-goal.
Our citizens know a scam when they see it and will vote this down. Expect the majority of support to ban trapping and hunting to come from Missoula, the hot-bed of radicalism in our state but the common majority will prevail in favor of supporting hunting and trapping.

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RPT
RPT

Best keep in mind that if trapping is ban in Montana it just puts us one step closer to a 24/7 365 hunting season.

richardr11
richardr11

wrong, if wolves are allowed to be killed all year round like you want, there will most definitely be put back on the endangered species list. What you wish for and what becomes reality are two different things. At the end of the day, you lost. Montana will have wolves for many many years to come and they will continue to be the year round manager of ungulates.

madtaxpayer
madtaxpayer

you are wrong. I am totally in support of hunting and I could care less about how many wolves there are, if one is on my property showing threat to my animals or family, I will shoot it. I only care about my family, and traps are a threat to my family enjoying recreation in the forests. that is all that matters to me, the safety of my family trumps everything else.

Snowcrest
Snowcrest

How is your family threatened?
Geez, what a drama queen!!

madtaxpayer
madtaxpayer

wow, do you ever READ? we go to several creek accesses in my area, now those creek accesses have been taken over by trappers. the only way we knew was by the dead animals piled up near the creek, which made us think, huh, someone is baiting which means there are traps somewhere around here but WHERE ARE THEY? who knows, they were not marked!!!! that is being threatened, sir! are you really that ignorant??? I am not a drama queesn when it comes to the safey of my children. sounds like someone doesn't have children so why would you care. go get in your jacked up, short man syndrome dodge p/u and try to grow up!

Lindi
Lindi

Trappers don't care about anything but themselves. That's why they are so unapologetic about the evil and cruelty that is inherent in trapping. Trappers kill our native wildlife in horrific numbers. For every target animal they murder they kill several non-target animals including eagles, dogs and endangered lynx. There is nothing good about trapping. In Montana most furbearers are trapped with no limits or quotas. There is no one monitoring these animal populations and that is what led the wolverine to be at near extinction levels--and yet trappers wanted to keep on trapping them. They prey on living animals for their skins. It is every bit as horrible and creepy as it sounds!

Bittersweet
Bittersweet

madtaxpayer said...." I am totally in support of hunting.........yet traps are a threat to my family enjoying recreation in the forests."

..........

Interesting. Traps are a threat to your family but a bunch of knuckleheads running around with high powered rifles isn't? The hole you are digging yourself is getting quite deep. How many children (under the age of 18) have been killed in hunting accidents in the last five decades in Montana? Nowww.....How many children have been killed by traps? Maybe injured by traps in the last five decades? That would be a big fat goose egg fine sir. Yet you are still scared because traps "threaten" your family? Ugh.....(rolls eyes)

Snowcrest
Snowcrest

madtaxpayer is an anti-hunting troll masquerading as an upright hunter's rights person.
Sorry, I dont buy it.

madtaxpayer
madtaxpayer

UGH! here is a fine example of ignorance. I CAN SEE A HUNTER! I CANNOT SEE A TRAP! and traps are left in the woods all the time, not all trappers come to collect them when the season is over. a hunter is only in the woods during hunting season, they wear orange, we also do not go into the forests during hunting season and if we do, we also wear orange. a hunter will not injure us we are not deer/elk. a trap will injure us. my god, where is the common sense on this board!??? roll your eyes all you want, you are only making yourself look stupid.

madtaxpayer
madtaxpayer

eh, I'm done, everyone has their own opinion, and it will not be swayed. so we will just have to see what happens. either way, I will stick to my first statement, I WILL sue a trapper for everything he owns if my child is caught in one of their traps. it's that simple. If not, all is well. Just something to think about, it's not that hard to hang a ribbon, put a stick in the ground next to the trap with paint on it, anything to be considerate to those who are hiking around off trail. we have the right to be there just as you do, so be considerate.

madtaxpayer
madtaxpayer

snowcrest, why wouldn't you believe that people (including me) think trapping is not only dangerous for the public, but also inhumane to animals? Hunting is usually a quick death, bullet in the head or heart and they are done. they are not suffering in a trap for hours/days. a little common sense here, kay?

RobertR
RobertR

Where is Filip P the head of footgoose ? He always runs when confronted.

RPT
RPT

Best keep in mind that if trapping is ban in Montana it just puts us one step closer to a 24/7 365 hunting season.
And also remember that you have to be a resident of Montana to be allowed to vote on our local issues here.
This attempt by the out of state vocal minority to vote this in once again is doomed to fail ...By a large majority the people of Montana want ALL wildlife here managed.

madtaxpayer
madtaxpayer

I have no problem with hunting, I'm from a hunting family. I can SEE a hunter in the woods, I cannot SEE a trap in the woods. BIG difference!

RPT
RPT

If it’s a LEGAL trap it should be marked... If it’s not.. Report it.

madtaxpayer
madtaxpayer

good point, I will do that. I will read the regulations to educate myself as I do want to know if traps only have to be marked right where they lie, or if trappers are required to mark a tree or trail also. It doesn't do a lot of good to be hiking around, and try to stop from putting my foot down because hidden in the brush and leaves is a little marker, by then it could be too late. you know many trappers (and non-trappers) say it's no biggie, you just release the latch and remove your foot, sorry, but I do think it's a big deal for my foot (or my child's or pet's foot) to be in pain, you cannot tell me it doesn't hurt, and why should anyone be injured or in pain while trying to enjoy a nice walk through the forest? how is that fair? why should we just have to "deal" with it? I'm curious, what is your reasoning on possibly inflicting pain on people?

richardr11
richardr11

wrong, if wolves are allowed to be killed all year round like you want, there will most definitely be put back on the endangered species list. What you wish for and what becomes reality are two different things. At the end of the day, you lost. Montana will have wolves for many many years to come and they will continue to be the year round manager of ungulates.

RPT
RPT

I've started hitting the “Report Abuse” option on every post Ms. Richard makes..If all of us do it the Missoulian will take action and remove her post. It’s disgusting the use and abuse she's trying to get away with on this forum.
We’ve had hundreds of her posts removed by reporting them as abuse... Plus we’ve forced her to clean up her act about 97% from what she used to be like. It makes her furious that we’re able to manage her like this and there isn’t a thing she can do about it...

Ms. Richard .. As you know ...ALL of your repetitive post here and elsewhere have been reported and are being removed.. Your time here is limited.
Must make you furious to know that we’re able to control and manage you this way and there isn’t a thing you can do about it...

Mike Albans
Mike Albans

Hangings were part of our heritage too. Lynchings, wife beatings, slaughtering indians, mining pollution, unchecked emmissions, child labor, all part of our history. Maybe some things need to stay part of history...

cal007
cal007

Trapping is indiscriminate, they don't care what gets caught in them. One trapper even said, every day is like Christmas, you never know what you're going to get. MFWP is being sued for allowing trapping in lynx habitat---on public lands, which is not owned or used solely by trappers. But they pay the money so they can trap/kill whatever they want. Non-consumptive users have no say because a system is not, will not, be set up for them to contribute, even though MFWP needs the revenue. Idaho trapped 146 non-target animals and 69 of them died as a result of being trapped, including elk, deer, moose. 12 of 45 trapped deer died in MT. 18 elk and 4 moose got caught in traps. Incidental trappings are supposed to be reported to MFWP, how can they enforce that? They can't. Animals caught in traps are subject to dehydration, depredation, starvation and injuries which can impede their survival. A mountain lion that had recently lost some toes due to being trapped was killed by a hunter who proudly posed with the dead lion and its raw, bloody, wounded paw. Tens of thousands of animals are lost because of trapping, and those animals do not die quick, merciful deaths. But it seems that heritage is much more important than the "management" of MT's wildlife. I hope that this initiative is a huge success.

Richy
Richy

Emotions won't trump science. Trapping is the correct solution and tradition on managing wildlife. Look at the Beavers and the devastation they cause on our landscape

Ellowe
Ellowe

Hate to burst your bubble there Richy but it's their (the beavers and all other wildlife's) landscape too! You idiots that "think" and I use the term loosely, that humans are capable of "managing" nature, just goes to show how truly ignorant and ego-centric you are. Trapping is wrong on all levels and anyone with an ounce of compassion, knows it...just not asshats like you who are in it for the money.

AAO22
AAO22

Agreed Richy!!

madtaxpayer
madtaxpayer

Have you seen the garbage PEOPLE leave all over the forests, at every fire pit, every creek access! how in the world could you think animals do more damage than humans? People are disgusting, filthy pigs! Drive along I-90, look at all the trash, urine bottles (thrown out by truck drivers), just garbage all over the place, drive up any forest service road and tell me you don't see trash everywhere. It's people who need managed, not the animals!

Wulf
Wulf

AAO22 , first of all let me say, trapping may have been a part of our heritage, but it does not necessarily need to be a part of our future in the state. Footloose was working hard to eliminate trapping on public lands long before it became a " Tool" for so called Wolf management. As for this being an effort by Footloose to increase their exposure and finances, that's complete Bull poo Mr. Walruth. You may rest assured that this measure will have ample support in our state and the supporters to ban trapping overall come from all walks of life, Including the hunting communities. Good Luck Footloose! ~ Steve Clevidence

AAO22
AAO22

@ Steve - Funny. You did not deny any of the facts I posted - perhaps you were at the meeting and heard/saw the evidence yourself? Where is your scientific evidence that trapping is bad? Trapping isn't going anywhere, especially if the Wolf Advisory Committee is suggesting a trapper roster and/or bounty system! Look north to our neighbors and see how they are managing their animal populations. Canada and Alaska have a lot more wolves than we do yet they are also more liberal with trapping and seasons. Why should trappers - many who have been trapping for generations - eliminate part of their cultural heritage just because you don't like it?! Its really no different than telling Native American's they can not trap/hunt anymore. Plus, trapping is, has been and always be "tool" in wildlife management, with or without wolves.

"Trapping has a time honored heritage in Montana. From the time of Lewis and Clark, trappers have harvested furbearers such as beaver, bobcat, and marten to experience nature and to provide pelts for mounts, clothing, decorations, and sale. Fur trapping is biologically sustainable and is an important part of Montana's cultural history and outdoor lifestyle.

FWP is responsible for the conservation of furbearers and for regulating the responsible use of this public resource. FWP and its citizen commission continually refine furbearer trapping regulations to ensure selectivity and ethical harvest. Fur trapping is a heavily regulated activity that provides FWP with information on furbearers, and provides many benefits to people and wildlife."

"Regulated trapping is a safe, efficient, and practical means of capturing individual animals without impairing the survival of furbearer populations or damaging the environment." ~ The Wildlife Society, North America's association of wildlife scientists
(http://fwp.mt.gov/hunting/trapping/)

Jason Maxwell
Jason Maxwell

Footloose is a joke. The majority of their supporters have never set foot in this state. Huge reason why richardr11, madtaxpayer, and York were the 3 signatures on the last ballot.

Yz250
Yz250

In total agreement AAO22. The percentage accidental trappings is very small. The wolf is cash cow again.

pthor
pthor

Anyone know how they caught the Canadian wolves in order to transplant them to Montana? They were trapped !

Oh.... so cruel.

AAO22
AAO22

The public needs to see the FACTS and not the EMOTIONAL HYPE that Footloose Montana, Wolves of the Rockies, Destroyers of Wildlife and that ilk like to spread. According to DATA provided by Montana FWP at their May 9th, 2013 meeting in Helena, nearly 50% of all incidents where dogs were caught in traps involved DOGS AT LARGE = running loose! Only 3 dogs were caught in legal furbearer sets on public land. During the 2012-13 season furbearers logged over 1.8 million trap nights on 40,487 trap sets. That means there was only 1 incident per 90,000 nights and 1 incident per 2,024 trap sets! Montana trappers and current regulations are very effective at minimizing conflicts...now if only Footloose MT could get that through their heads. PLUS the Montana Constitution protects our rights to hunt and trap.

On another note, isn't it funny that trapping was hardly a blip on the radar UNTIL we started trapping WOLVES!?! Wildlife biologists and officials utilize trapping for many different reasons on top of the thousands of trappers in MT. Many families today supplement their incomes through trapping and pelt sales AND not to mention trapping was a major help in reducing MT's wolf population this past season. Why? Because it is effective. Not only is trapping part of Montana's heritage it is also a necessary and important tool in wildlife management.

richardr11
richardr11

try being honest and state some facts

But 55 dogs were caught in traps during the 2012-13 season, according to Montana Fish, Wildlife and Parks, and there were highly publicized instances of other species, such as mountain lions, being caught.

trapping will be banned in 2014. if you love wildlife and you love dogs, support a trapping ban.

AAO22
AAO22

@ richardr11 - Try reading this again...more slowly this time..."According to DATA provided by Montana FWP at their May 9th, 2013 meeting in Helena, nearly 50% of all incidents where dogs were caught in traps involved DOGS AT LARGE = running loose! Only 3 dogs were caught in legal furbearer sets on public land. During the 2012-13 season furbearers logged over 1.8 million trap nights on 40,487 trap sets. That means there was only 1 incident per 90,000 nights and 1 incident per 2,024 trap sets! Montana trappers and current regulations are very effective at minimizing conflicts."

Re-Made in Montana
Re-Made in Montana

Curious.. When I decide to take my dog for a hike on public lands and let him off his leash so he can run around, is that a "Dog at Large"?

Kokanee
Kokanee

Excellent post the spin and win theory put out by Screwloose and it's allies should not be allowed. They should have to prove their claims,how many times have they faked photos of dogs and traps? The war over public use is getting heated and this is just the beginning. They cannot win !!!!

Ellowe
Ellowe

Oh but win they will!

richardr11
richardr11

nothing to fake. there is plenty of real pictures out there showing animals dead in traps. 2014 can't come soon enough. We will win because we have the facts on our side,

madtaxpayer
madtaxpayer

as long as there is too much testosterone in MT government (I'm a trapper, big man, own a big dodge P/U, must trap, ugh ugh ugh!) LOL! cavemen will continue to rule this state.

Re-Made in Montana
Re-Made in Montana

Curious- When I decide to take a hike with my dog on public land and let him run around, is that considered a "dog at large"? Who makes the determination and how is it made.. Your insinuation is that "dogs at large" means some kind of culpability on the part of the owner.. Is allowing my dog to run off leash on public lands culpable behavior?

madtaxpayer
madtaxpayer

I have to agree with "RE-made in montana", a dog running around in the national forest with it's owner is not "at large". I have national forest on 3 sides of my property, I walk through my land onto national forest, I have that right, my dog has that right, we should not have to "watch where we step" while walking through the forest we pay taxes to enjoy! It is no longer enjoying to walk through our forests here in MT. We cannot protect ourselves against a trap, a trap isn't afraid of a gun or a bow/arrow, we have no personal protection against a trap. therefore they should be outlawed. it is the 21st century, pick up a gun and hunt the wolves! trapping is for the lazy man. the majority of hunters do not support trapping, and I am from a hunting family who despises traps! hunters walk through forests to hunt, do you think they want to get caught in one of your traps? common sense, oh wait there is none in this state, starting at the top with the government! and on another note, I support hunting wolves, WITH GUNS! I find no purpose for traps, they are archaic.

richardr11
richardr11

way to go footloose!!!!!

cal007
cal007

Definitely great news!

madtaxpayer
madtaxpayer

who do we contact to help make this happen? I would be happy to discuss how I would sue a trapper for everything he has if my child or dog were caught in a trap in the national forest. the forest we pay taxes to use, the forest we recreate in with our families, the forest that is now boobie trapped.

Bittersweet
Bittersweet

Please then, lets discuss this. A child caught in a trap? Has that ever happened? (anywhere?) I have spent my entire life hiking both sides of the Bitterroot Valley extensively. Never, not once have I ever been harmed by a trap set by a private trapper. I did accidentally step in a wolf leg hold trap set by the Feds doing a study about 15 years ago. I sprung it, it did absolutely no harm. Might I add at least a few times a year myself and my dog are hassled by others dogs running loose (or at least not in their control) while out in about. My dog is always by my side and has been in a few pretty good tangles with others peoples dogs before they come running up minutes later to see what the commotion is about. Traps.....(rolls eyes) How about suing some irresponsible dog owners for a start?

madtaxpayer
madtaxpayer

listen, my family used to go to a nice creek access near our home, now there is dead animals and a makeshift mini hut made out of limbs there next to the creek, do you think it's fair that a trapper/baiter has now taken over that area and we have to find another place to recreate???? WE PAY TAXES FOR FOREST USE ALSO! You people do not have the right to take over every nice area of the forest for your lazy trapping! and for your information, my dogs can run anywhere they want in national forest with me walking with them, I am not required to leash my dogs while walking through national forest off of a forest service road walking a game trail! National forest is NOT a park! I never run into any people or their dogs, I do not go where people are.

Bittersweet
Bittersweet

Yes, you pay taxes. So do all of the trappers I have ever known. What gives your dog the right to go sniffing around their sets on public lands they pay taxes on?You are getting your panties in an uproar over a threat that is almost obsolete. You and your pet and your children are far more likely to be injured in a vehicle accident on your way to recreate. Get over it.

Bittersweet
Bittersweet

"I am not required to leash my dogs while walking through national forest" .....This is true. I don't leash mine either but she is never more than two steps away from my side and she is always in my control. You see, I am a good trainer and a responsible, caring pet owner. Your dog doesn't have to be on a leash to be in your control and if your dogs are in your control they will not be harmed by many of the dangers that are in our national forests. I'm sorry there is no law that requires you to be a responsible pet owner or parent.

Bittersweet
Bittersweet

madtaxpayer said...."Trappers should be required to be 1 mile or more off any forest service road!" and then goes on to say...." I never run into any people or their dogs, I do not go where people are."

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Uhmmmm, so which is it wise guy? You want the trappers to make their sets only where you and your romping pack of dogs go so you have something else to complain about?

madtaxpayer
madtaxpayer

ummmm... "bittersweet" you are not making sense. are you saying I should hike where other people hike and then I'd be safe from your traps? you don't make sense. you also don't make sense when you say I let my "pack of TWO dogs" run wild, LOL! ok, whatever. by the way I have children too that also hike with us and what makes you think they are more safe walking next to me than 20 feet away from me? I could step in a trap just as well as they could, being next to me won't make a difference with a hidden trap. And my big gripe is that trappers have now taken over a nice creek access my family and I use every weekend. they have piled dead animlas there and made a hut out of branches and logs. We cannot safely go there anymore, THAT MY FRIEND IS NOT ACCEPTABLE! And I will be speaking to the game warden in that county to rectify the situation. their illegal unmarked trapping area will be removed.

madtaxpayer
madtaxpayer

you know if the laws were changed to make the forest a little more user friendly and not boobie trapped, we might be ok with trappers. What's wrong with requiring trapping areas to be marked? what's wrong with banning them from creek access areas? what's wrong with requiring traps to me 500ft or more from a road or trail? is that really too much to ask? are you trapper really so lazy you can't walk a few hundred feet and put up ribbons to warn? jeeze, the laziness of this country astounds me.

RPT
RPT

You keep your kid and your dog under your control like any responsible parent or pet owner should do and you shouldn’t have any problems... Unless your looking for it.
And if you are you get what you deserve.

madtaxpayer
madtaxpayer

I see, so my family is not allowed to walk anywhere in the forest? should I walk ahead of them and keep my children in single file so I step in a trap first? is that what you expect of the public? you can set your traps anywhere you want without marking them and we just have to guess where they are and try to walk around where we think they may be???? ARE YOU SERIOUS? you people ruin creek accesses by piling up dead animals for bait right near a nice creek access, thereby ruining any recreation the public may have enjoyed. Trappers should be required to mark their trap areas and they should be required to be 1 mile or more off any forest service road! is that just too difficult for your lazy butts to do? too hard for you to walk anywhere but 20 ft from a road? how pathetic!

RPT
RPT

I’m neither a trapper or a dog owner so your insults are irrelevant to me.
But I believe there are rules and laws that govern the conduct and behavior of both parties.
And if either refuse to follow those standards then they are responsible for the results.
Your rights don’t trump a legal trappers rights to be there.

richardr11
richardr11

you don't own dogs? oh, that explains why you don't care if dogs get caught in traps. The blame is on the trapper for putting his dangerous devices out there. That will change in 2014. We WILL ban trapping.

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