Montana House OKs students keeping guns at college

2013-02-23T05:30:00Z 2013-04-03T17:52:01Z Montana House OKs students keeping guns at collegeThe Associated Press The Associated Press
February 23, 2013 5:30 am  • 

HELENA – The Montana House has endorsed proposals to restrict concealed weapons in public buildings and bars, while allowing firearms on college campuses.

Representatives voted Friday 56-44 to allow students to keep guns on college campuses.

Supporters say House Bill 240 would ensure students’ speech and other constitutional rights.

The bill must pass a final House vote before moving to the Senate.

The House voted down a separate measure by Rep. Krayton Kerns that would have allowed individuals with a permit to carry concealed firearms in government buildings, banks and bars, all currently restricted locations.

The Laurel Republican says business owners would have the option of restricting concealed weapons on the premises.

Lawmakers opposing the bill citing safety concerns for public employees and bar patrons.

The bill failed 48-52.

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  1. MrEngineer
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    MrEngineer - February 27, 2013 10:22 am
    Why not let your fellow churchgoers have guns in church? That's the way it used to be, and do you think your fellow churchgoers are going to shoot people??
  2. MrEngineer
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    MrEngineer - February 27, 2013 10:16 am
    Tell me this: how does a gun ban make our colleges safer? Does UM have police officers that strip search every student that comes on campus? MSU doesn't. You may be surprised to know that some students carry anyway, and you have no idea. You may be very surprised to know that if somebody did want to shoot a teacher, they wouldn't be a law abiding citizen. So do you think a gun free school law would stop them? I don't. I think a gun free zone only stops law-abiding people from carrying guns. Good people who would stop a crime in progress, or just be able to defend their lives.

    To Mike1: I would be VERY happy to know my fellow Christians in church and my friends in class were armed with guns in case a lunatic did appear!

    And to clarify, this bill allows ONLY concealed carry, not plain open carry, which means the person with the gun would have to be mentally stable, licensed, and have documented training with the weapon to be within the law. (Not that intoxicated or unstable people would be stopped from shooting because they were "outside the law.") As soon as the gun became visible to anybody on campus, disciplinary action by the universities would come into play. I would anticipate expulsion from the university. The bill also would let the university decide how to manage storage of the guns. As it is, most people just keep guns in their cars. The shotgun used in the MSU shooting of 1990 was kept in a car.

    Also, it is ridiculous to say somebody with a gun has the legal right to shoot somebody. They have the legal right to defend themselves in a life or death situation, not the legal right to carry a gun while unstable.

    Anybody has the ABILITY to shoot anybody. So what stops unstable kids from shooting professors now? The fact that there is a law against it?
  3. MrEngineer
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    MrEngineer - February 27, 2013 9:57 am
    Nope, it gives students the right to carry weapons in class. Why would it just allow them to carry out of class? That doesn't help anybody be safer.
  4. gomer13
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    gomer13 - February 24, 2013 8:13 pm
    And that gun was not allowed on that campus was it? Looks like this person didn't follow the rules. Fighting is also illegal. As is possessing a gun while intoxicated. The only people who listen to gun bans are the innocent and law abiding, Creating gun free zones, creates easy kill zones. It is no secret that relaxed gun laws, and higher gun ownership per capita result in lower gun crime. Compare Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Nevada, ND, etc.. to California, Colorado, Wash State, etc... proof gun laws don't work...and never will.
  5. gomer13
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    gomer13 - February 24, 2013 8:08 pm
    Do you people really think this will increase violence on campus? It may reduce sexual asault. Allowing guns will not prompt school shootings. When a person gets in the insane mindset to go mass murder innocent, unarmed people, do you think they have a realization that says ' I can't do this, guns aren't allowed here' If that worked Sandy Hook could have just put up a sign that said ' Kindergartener slaughtering will not be permitted.'
  6. gomer13
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    gomer13 - February 24, 2013 8:06 pm
    I read the bil. To me is was about allowing adults to possess legal weapons, on a college campus. There shouldn't have to be a bill about this, as the 2nd amendment reads 'Shall not be Infringed'. I must have missed the part that called for the legalization of murdering professors.
  7. MontanaNative1ed7
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    MontanaNative1ed7 - February 24, 2013 7:01 pm
    Roger:

    Your Neo Liberal beliefs once again get in the mind of sound judgement:
    That is not wining! Quit calling logical writing whining.
  8. MontanaNative1ed7
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    MontanaNative1ed7 - February 24, 2013 6:58 pm
    More like all those girls get held at gun point by some "thug." Alot of sexual predators hold their victims in fear. It is one reason more women do not report rape.
  9. MontanaNative1ed7
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    MontanaNative1ed7 - February 24, 2013 6:56 pm
    I agree.
  10. MontanaNative1ed7
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    MontanaNative1ed7 - February 24, 2013 6:56 pm
    I agree.
  11. The_Boneshackler
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    The_Boneshackler - February 24, 2013 3:00 pm
    I apologize for offending your sensibilities. I am certainly NOT a racist. I was using the term ‘thug’ as defined in the dictionary, and has was used recently by former Congressman Pat Williams. Perhaps I should have stuck to the term ‘potential rapists’.

    Definition of thug (noun) -- violent person, especially a criminal: he was attacked by a gang of thugs -- http://oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/thug

  12. UMalumnus
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    UMalumnus - February 23, 2013 4:26 pm
    Boneshackler -- I have reported you to the Missoulian. Your use of the term thug is not only racist (which is not allowed in the comments section) but it is defaming the vast majority of the football team and the hundreds of other Griz athletes.
  13. dsrobins
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    dsrobins - February 23, 2013 2:19 pm
    It's time for the Governor to start warming up Brian Schweitzer's VETO branding iron.
  14. kitamike
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    kitamike - February 23, 2013 11:43 am
    NO,NO,AND NO!! I AM seriously alarmed at the MT House....they need professional mental health help!!!
  15. UMalumnus
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    UMalumnus - February 23, 2013 9:24 am
    Just last week a Maryland college student shot another person during a fight. Everyday you see stories about drunken college kids doing stupid things. This is the worst idea in a long sad history of bad ideas. I give it 6 months before a student is shot by a roommate or someone down the hall because of something stupid.
  16. The_Boneshackler
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    The_Boneshackler - February 23, 2013 8:55 am
    Agreed. If any of the football thugs get out of line with a lady, she can stand her ground and pop a cap in his ....

    Missoulians can avoid the hassle and expense of a trial.
  17. Roger
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    Roger - February 23, 2013 7:40 am
    Quit whining - the bill doesn't give anyone the legal ability to shoot someone - shooting someone for no legitimate reason is against the law. A campus gun ban will not stop anyone intent upon mayhem from unlawfully carrying a gun on campus - criminals by definition have no regard for the law.

    Besides, the bill probably doesn't give students the right to pack a gun in classes - according to the story, it only gives students the right to keep guns on campus.
  18. Still Here
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    Still Here - February 23, 2013 7:12 am
    Wow, I remember when they were legal in the dorms. I remember the kid from back East who carried one around, I also remember that there have been about three shooting on campuses in Montana. I remember a students setting off rounds in Craig Hall. I remember a kid getting shot with a shotgun at MSU. So a little freshman moves into the dorm, he has his regal pistol. He has a FEW beers and kids start having fun. Playing with the gun. But it is their right. where are these legislatures old Cary Smithy and kooky Klayton going to be when the first kid dies? is is okay to sue the legislature in the State for letting this happen.
  19. Longhorn Fan
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    Longhorn Fan - February 23, 2013 7:08 am
    This might cut down on the sexual assault problem. What guy will want to risk his life just todo it? He won't know if the gal has a gun readily available and would shoot him if the attempted anything. Watch out guys, your life is at risk!
  20. OhMT
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    OhMT - February 23, 2013 12:51 am
    Montanans, as well as all human beings, have a God given right to self defense. I support this bill. I'm pretty sure mike1 is a native San Franciscan. To you mike1: stop trying to ruin the Great State of Montana with your Liberal pussification of reality. Please. Stop.
  21. mike1
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    mike1 - February 22, 2013 9:25 pm
    It is inappropriate, wrong, and crazy to allow guns onto the smoke free campus of U of M or MSU. You put the instructors in an unsafe work environment. If some upset student, struggling with a course, high on drugs, alcohol, etc., or just plain unstable, wants to shoot a teacher or fellow students, he/she now has the legal ability to do so. You will be allowing guns on a campus which has sexual assault problems now! You are not fixing any problem or protecting anyone, you are providing opportunity for injury or death by guns on campus. You won't allow guns into your legislative halls, but you have no qualms about letting teachers be exposed (without their input or permission) to these situations. How is someone's second amendment rights able to trump a teacher's safety in a college classroom? Also, if you allow guns and concealed weapons into a college classroom, then why not let high school, grade school kids carry (because of their "freedoms"), or better yet, why not let my fellow churchgoer have guns in my Sunday Church as we all praise God? Legislators have gone too far on this bill and I hope it dies before it becomes law! You should be forced to teach in the classrooms you have legislated guns in!
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