A group bound by the Second Amendment, patriotism and pride in “American exceptionalism” is looking to purchase several thousand acres of land in northern Idaho or western Montana to establish a gated community of like-minded residents.

According to the project description, The Citadel would house between 3,500 and 7,000 patriotic American families who believe in emergency preparedness, and who can show efficiency with the “American icon of liberty – the Rifle.”

Advertisements on the group’s website urge visitors to “Get an AR ... before it’s too late,” referring to the controversial AR-15 assault rifle.

The group says it’s looking to break ground on its community this year. It’s eyeing Benewah County, Idaho, outside of Coeur d’Alene, though it said Montana could be considered as well.

“While every effort and intention is to build in Benewah County, the Citadel Project reserves the right to select a final location with similar terrain in other Idaho counties or, if necessary, in Montana, Wyoming or elsewhere in the American Redoubt,” the website says.

The group describes itself as a nonprofit, liberty-driven group that believes in Thomas Jefferson’s Rightful Liberty. Marxists, socialists, liberals and establishment Republicans need not apply, the group says, as they would find life in the community “incompatible with their existing ideology and preferred lifestyles.”

The group’s blog says its spokesman, who isn’t identified, is not yet willing to give interviews, and media requests were referred back to the group’s website, iiicitadel.com.

The Southern Poverty Law Center dismissed The Citidel concept as an “idle fantasy,” while the Montana Human Rights Network plans to keep tabs on the group’s progress.

“Their talking points fit into the general anti-government survivalist movement,” said Rachel Carroll Rivas, co-director Human Rights Network. “They’re more explicit on their requirements for guns than some groups have been in the past.”

Carroll Rivas said her group has seen greater political engagement over the past four years by groups on the far right, including those interested in the survivalist concept.

Frustrated by the outcome of recent elections, however, they’ve begun to withdraw from the political process due to a sense of defeat. The process follows trends in recent history, including that in the 1990s, which saw the rise of groups in Montana like the Freemen during Bill Clinton’s presidency.

“When you don’t get what you want, you pull away, and it’s not surprising that some people would go this route,” Carroll Rivas said. “History has shown there’s an interest in our region.”

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To win residency to The Citadel, applicants would have to agree to a list of conditions, such as following the U.S. Constitution, and being able to shoot a man-sized steel target at various distances with a handgun and rifle.

Members must keep an AR-15 semiautomatic rifle handy, along with at least five magazines, 1,000 rounds of ammunition and other supplies. Stocking provisions for one year is also required.

“The responsibility for maintaining functional arms and ammunition levels for every member of the household shall fall to the head of household,” the application form reads. “Every able-bodied Patriot will be responsible for maintaining a Tactical Go Bag or Muster Kit to satisfy the Minuteman concept.”

The group says it won’t have a leader. There will be no home ownership fees, no “recycling police” and no ordinance enforcers from city hall. Homes would be poured of concrete, the website says, to achieve maximum strength.

Mark Potok, a senior fellow at the Southern Poverty Law Center, said he doubts the group is any bigger than one or two individuals looking to win a following. He called it nothing more than an idle fantasy.

“We don’t know who’s behind it, but the claim that there are several hundred people involved is patently ludicrous,” Potok said. “We’re likely talking about a man, a dog and his computer envisioning this whole imaginary city. We don’t take it that seriously.”

Carroll Rivas said the Human Rights Network and similar organizations across the region will continue to track The Citadel’s progress toward realizing its goals.

“They’re definitely new players, but we tend to see a lot of repeats,” Carroll Rivas said. “That western Montana region that borders Idaho has had some overlap with the anti-government survivalist groups.”

Reporter Martin Kidston can be reached at (406)-523-5260 or martin.kidston@missoulian.com.

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tired of spin
tired of spin

Well with today's new "wacko's are in fashion" sponsored by right seeking to line up votes for 2014 not much will surprise me. BUT, wonder if these folks (whom ever the Uber Patriots, to scared to psot names) just wonder if they have a few bucks invested into the last litlte "Bring you gun, buy a bunker and check brain at gate" development that was set up in I think, ID a decade or so back. That was to be the ultimate freedom loving patriotic blah blah,usual 4th grade level intellect used by "Like minded (minded be a big stretch of that term) folks that proved panic, rumor, spin and lies will provide someone with some dollars somewhere as all intellect, fact finding and truths are not allowed.
So I kind of like such places, might be fun to rent a chopper, paint it black and buzz the area once a year or so, buy a surplus APC, paint UN on side and park it along roads near their lovely development and just wait to count the many cement trucks then roaring in to build even more bunkers.
Yep would make a great comedy reality show, but would have to compete with other wanna be Rambo's, idiot elected who want to impeach O, or local sheriff's etc that "Refuse to enforce fed laws" which seems to border on breaking a few fed/state laws. So it seems we will have to put up with these types for a while and finally they found something that it seems ONLY they, the experts in Government, our Robin Hoods saviors or all that is patriotic, etc our darling Rambo/Swat/Spl ops wanna be's. who must have AR to defend selves when government comes. Only one slight dichotomy in their world that should be addressed, it seems their divine rulers the NRA say it is is the loonies who need guns taken, but never address the sanity of the members who claim, via the Good book of NRA ismss, "from my cold dead hands", support firing on those that represent the USA and are "sane"? Bet somewhere in "The development" they have a model of FT Sumter and shoot at "en mutter partiotic songs like we shud du fur the ole cunfedracy to remember um".

Stillmike Miller
Stillmike Miller

Just like any other "gated private community", they have a legal right to establish their bylaws (HOA style) that comply with law. They are doing that. It clearly states that in their webiste. If you don't want to live there, no one is making you. The laughable part is all the "liberals" with closed minds screaming "conspiracy theory!".

sofaking tired of the GOP
sofaking tired of the GOP

Who said anything about a "conspiracy theory"? You don't find it hilarious they hate socialism, the government, and taxes, yet are designing their compound based on a communist idea, and are looking for tax subsidies from the county they want to move too?

sofaking tired of the GOP
sofaking tired of the GOP

The group also plans to build a gun factory for all the inhabitants to work at with the profits going back to the community for projects. If that isn't socialism I don't know what is LMAO!

Stillmike Miller
Stillmike Miller

Last I checked, that was called capitalistic free enterprise. They are working for their money. Not waiting for it to be given to them from someone else.

sofaking tired of the GOP
sofaking tired of the GOP

Giving it back to the community is not capitalistic, 100% socialism.

Hakon Montag
Hakon Montag

You're confusing your isms...it is actually more akin to communism...you know the whole hippie commune thing of the 60's.

There are 'green communes' all across the land.

So it's a 'bad thing' if conservatives do it.

Liberals opt to live in 'gated communities' all across the country with their own 'private armed security forces' all the time.

But it's a bad thing if conservatives do it.

Is that simple hypocrisy or does it have a touch of bigotry as well...

sofaking tired of the GOP
sofaking tired of the GOP

It's a bad thing if you spend pages of it on your website about how bad socialism and Marxism is and then set up your community in almost the exact same fashion. It's called irony.

sofaking tired of the GOP
sofaking tired of the GOP

Do these "liberal" gated communities have several gun towers, a gun factory, only have one museum based on guess what guns, require every house to have an AR15 with 1000 rounds, and require you to carry a gun on you when you go to the community square? And you'll find conservatives in those "liberal" gated communities as well. A fence isn't the issue, nice try.

sofaking tired of the GOP
sofaking tired of the GOP

Not the first time you failed at basic logic Hakon so it doesn't surprise me you don't understand irony.

sofaking tired of the GOP
sofaking tired of the GOP

If it was capitalistic they would be giving the profits to a CEO and hope it trickles back down to them.

sofaking tired of the GOP
sofaking tired of the GOP

Funny on the group's website it rails against, socialists, Marxists, and liberals yet they are seeking a county to give them an "incentive" to make their compound there, i.e. some sort of government subsidy to pay them to move there. The irony is just too hilarious.

Hakon Montag
Hakon Montag

ah yes...'working the system' is something that only Liberals are allowed to do...

sofaking tired of the GOP
sofaking tired of the GOP

Liberals don't rant about getting rid of taxes and how evil the government is, so they are not huge hypocrites.

Bitterroot Progressive
Bitterroot Progressive

To Stillmike Miller,
You asked-"So, when the democratic VPOTUS of the USA (VPOTUS means Vice President of the United States, so that's redundant) says the POTUS can use 'executive authority' (which he certainly likes doing) to remove/delete/INFRINGE on the 2nd Amendment, we should not buy into that conspiracy theory?"
The short answer is no. The president does not have the power to overturn the 2nd Amendment. Even if he were to make that executive order, he does not have the power OR THE WILL to do so. The Supreme Court would overturn any unconstitutional order the president may make, AND he would certainly face impeachment. As an expert on constitutional law, he is fully aware of that.
Most likely, from the reports that are coming out, the VP will recommend a renewal of the previous ban on assault rifles, "along with "universal" background checks on all gun buyers, restrictions on the sizes of ammunition magazines, and new technologies that could make it impossible for non-owners to fire weapons.The Biden recommendations are likely to include proposed laws that Congress must approve and executive actions that Obama can take himself."http://www.firstcoastnews.com/topstories/article/292098/483/Biden-to-produce-gun-package-this-week
Conspiracy theories notwithstanding, President Obama has been more than accommodating to the gun lobby and I wouldn't expect anything too drastic to come out of this recent effort to bring gun violence under control.

Kuato
Kuato

Well now here is a far left progressives opinion if ever their was such a thing "President Obama has more then accommodating to the gun lobby" is anybody buying this? If Obama uses executive powers to go after our second amendment rights, it is an impeachable offense if ever their was one and it most likely start a civil war.

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Clark Kent
Clark Kent

Civil war? Put down the comic books/PSP and get back to work.

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Stillmike Miller
Stillmike Miller

So ironic. ^

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Hakon Montag
Hakon Montag

You don't think it could happen here?

Keep pushing...

sofaking tired of the GOP
sofaking tired of the GOP

Was there a civil war in 1994 after the first ban? You can now take guns into National Parks, that's pretty accommodation to the gun lobby. Funny how it is only Obama who wants the ban when in the 110th Congress, Representative Mark Kirk, Republican of Illinois, introduced a bill on June 12, 2008, to reinstate the assault weapons ban for ten years and expand the list of banned weapons. The Bill, H.R. 6257, the Assault Weapons Ban Reauthorization Act of 2008, had four co-sponsors, all Republicans: Michael N. Castle of Delaware, Mike Ferguson of New Jersey, and Ileana Ros-Lehtinen of Florida, and Christopher Shays of Connecticut.

Stillmike Miller
Stillmike Miller

I agree with you short answer. But when you say "Most likely, from the reports that are coming out, the VP will recommend a renewal of the previous ban on assault rifles, "along with "universal" background checks on all gun buyers, restrictions on the sizes of ammunition magazines, and new technologies that could make it impossible for non-owners to fire weapons.The Biden recommendations are likely to include proposed laws that Congress must approve and executive actions that Obama can take.", THAT is INFRINGING.

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Hakon Montag
Hakon Montag

You should read Heller vs DC...then you might understand that a renewal of the assault weapons ban...and an increase in it's scope...would be UNCONSTITUTIONAL.

The President doesn't have the authority.
Congress doesn't have the authority.
The Supreme Court will only get into the picture if it happens AND a case is ALLOWED to be brought before them.

What was that they just did down in Egypt? Oh yea...the leader declared all his decisions as being "unquestionable by the court".

So are you going to chastize them when they do it?

Bitterroot Progressive
Bitterroot Progressive

I did read Heller vs DC http://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/07pdf/07-290.pdf Here's a link. It was one of the most recent defining case for handguns, not assault weapons. In fact "2. Like most rights, the Second Amendment right is not unlimited. It is not a right to keep and carry any weapon whatsoever in any manner whatsoever and for whatever purpose: For example, concealed weapons prohibitions have been upheld under the Amendment or state analogues. The Court’s opinion should not be taken to cast doubt on longstanding prohibitions on the possession of firearms by felons and the mentally ill, or laws forbidding the carrying of firearms in sensitive places such as schools and government buildings, or laws imposing conditions and qualifications on the commercial sale of arms. Miller’s holding that the sorts of weapons protected are those “in common use at the time” finds support in the historical tradition of prohibiting the carrying of dangerous and unusual weapons. Pp. 54–56." Last time I checked, we don't live in Egypt.

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Clark Kent
Clark Kent

Thanks for the summary and link. I never considered myself a Progressive, but I appreciate your post.

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Hakon Montag
Hakon Montag

I never stated that we should be carrying assault weapons all over town...did I?

Odd that you started with Section 2 of the HELD ruling. Was that by design? Please scroll on down to the last sentence...


Held:

1. The Second Amendment protects an individual right to possess a firearm unconnected with service in a militia, and to use that arm for traditionally lawful purposes, such as self-defense within the home. Pp. 2–53.

(a) The Amendment’s prefatory clause announces a purpose, but does not limit or expand the scope of the second part, the operative clause. The operative clause’s text and history demonstrate that it connotes an individual right to keep and bear arms. Pp. 2–22.

(b) The prefatory clause comports with the Court’s interpretation of the operative clause. The “militia” comprised all males physically capable of acting in concert for the common defense. The Antifederalists feared that the Federal Government would disarm the people in order to disable this citizens’ militia, enabling a politicized standing army or a select militia to rule. The response was to deny Congress power to abridge the ancient right of individuals to keep and bear arms, so that the ideal of a citizens’ militia would be preserved. Pp. 22–28.

(c) The Court’s interpretation is confirmed by analogous arms-bearing rights in state constitutions that preceded and immediately followed the Second Amendment . Pp. 28–30.

(d) The Second Amendment ’s drafting history, while of dubious interpretive worth, reveals three state Second Amendment proposals that unequivocally referred to an individual right to bear arms. Pp. 30–32.

(e) Interpretation of the Second Amendment by scholars, courts and legislators, from immediately after its ratification through the late 19th century also supports the Court’s conclusion. Pp. 32–47.

(f) None of the Court’s precedents forecloses the Court’s interpretation. Neither United States v. Cruikshank, 92 U. S. 542 , nor Presser v. Illinois, 116 U. S. 252 , refutes the individual-rights interpretation. United States v. Miller, 307 U. S. 174 , does not limit the right to keep and bear arms to militia purposes, but rather limits the type of weapon to which the right applies to those used by the militia, i.e., those in common use for lawful purposes. Pp. 47–54.

Bitterroot Progressive
Bitterroot Progressive

This platform does not let me respond chronologically, so I'll put this here--
Hakon Montag, you seem to think that your bolded statement is a definitive answer to Heller V DC proving that assault weapon bans would be struck down in court.
Better legal minds than you and I disagree. Since you are so fond of long, copied posts, here you go-
For example-
"But there is considerable disagreement — often falling along ideological lines — over how the courts would treat a new assault weapons ban. Gun control groups point out that the earlier ban, which lasted from 1994 to 2004, was never held unconstitutional despite widespread criticism of it by gun-rights advocates.
Lindsay Nichols, a staff attorney at the pro-gun control Law Center to Prevent Gun Violence in San Francisco, said the Heller case is not a good predictor of the constitutionality of an assault weapons ban because that case dealt with one of the most restrictive gun laws in the nation: the District of Columbia’s outright prohibition on handgun possession and its regulations that rifles and shotguns be kept unloaded and disassembled.
“It was a much broader law that was at issue,” she said.
The legislative proposals that have followed the Connecticut killings “are addressing a specific class of weapons that are increasingly used in mass shootings,” Nichols said. “These are the weapons that allow bullets to be sprayed, and they’re not designed for acts of self defense.”
Besides evaluating whether guns are “dangerous and unusual,” Winkler said, the courts also would need to weigh whether a new assault weapons ban serves a legitimate purpose, and on that question the government would have a stronger argument. “Even if a firearm is covered by the Second Amendment,” he said, “it may be restricted if the law substantially furthers an important public interest.”
In 2011, he added, the U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia — considered the nation’s second most-powerful court — upheld a D.C. ban on firearms that the city defined as “assault weapons,” as well as on high-capacity magazines. In that case, Heller v. District of Columbia (commonly known as Heller II), a three-judge panel of the court ruled 2-1 that the government had proved its legitimate interest in banning such firearms and magazines.
http://public.cq.com/docs/news/news-000004203607.html
and-
"The Second Amendment poses no barriers to reasonable regulation. Under any theory of the Second Amendment, including the wacky one adopted by the U.S. Supreme Court in District of Columbia v. Heller—the case that effectively erased the militia clause of the amendment and adopted the gun rights movement’s fantasy version of American history—almost any reasonable gun regulation would pass constitutional muster. Guns have been regulated since the first colonists landed on America’s shores. In the decades after the adoption of the Second Amendment, gun regulation got more strict, not less. The Second Amendment actually tilts toward regulation, not away from it; without something akin to gun registration, how could you muster a militia?

Heller, meanwhile, has come under fire from real judicial conservatives and liberals alike. It was an activist decision that has generated over 600 new cases for the courts to sort through. The case does not even conform to the most basic rule of conservative jurisprudence: minimalism and clear guidelines for lower courts. Still, despite the avalanche of gun law suits, in almost every instance gun regulations have survived legal challenge, so there are few legal impediments to enacting reasonable gun control."
http://www.dissentmagazine.org/blog/time-for-the-second-amendment-to-meet-the-first
By Saul Cornell
http://www.fordham.edu/images/academics/history_department/faculty/cornell_cv.pdf

Hakon Montag
Hakon Montag

@BP (below)

Nope...nothing illogical in your 'wacky' leftist interpretation given by someone who obviously thinks the Supreme Court is 'wacky'.

I'll wait for the issue to be decided in a real court thank you.

"But there is considerable disagreement — often falling along ideological lines — "

Imagine that. Ideological disagreement. It's a good thing ideologies don't rule the day. The written word of LAW is what we go by. You might try it some day.

Bitterroot Progressive
Bitterroot Progressive

Hakon Montag,
It's obvious you've chosen not to follow the link I provided for Saul Cornell's credentials.

The link below provides 13 pages, including his education, below -

University of Pennsylvania, Ph.D. (1989) Dissertation: “The Political Thought and
Culture of the Anti-Federalists”
University of Pennsylvania, MA in History (1985)
Amherst College, BA, Magna Cu m Laude in History (1982)
University of Sussex, Brighton, England (1980-81)

and the titles of books he has published-
The Second Amendment Goes to Court: Critical Essays on District of Columbia v. Heller
(University of Massachusetts Press, (under contract,)
American Visions: A History of the American Nation (co-authored with Jennifer Keene
and Ed O’Donnell) (Longman, 2009)

“A Well Regulated Militia” : The Founding Fathers and the Origins of Gun
Control (Oxford University Press, 2006) (paperback edition 2008)
Whose Right to Bear Arms Did the Second Amendment Protect? (Bedford/St. Martins
Press, 2000) (Paperback 2000)
The Other Founders: Anti-Federalism and the Dissenting Tradition in America,
1788-1828 (Institute of Early American History and Culture, University of North
Carolina Press, 1999) (paperback edition 2001)
Editor, Retrieving the American Past: Documents and Essays on American History,
(Pearson, 1994-2008)
Yes, I consider him to be more of an expert than you or I on the subject. Let's wait and see what happens.

Pascal
Pascal

A sad, poor piece of writing, but no matter the lamentations for common sense reporting, the media keeps ignoring sound criticisms of their enterprise. Notice we read of terms like "the far right" and "anti-government". We don't read of terms like the "far left" which is what the Human Rights Network is. The charge of "anti-government" is usually bogus. Groups such these believe in "limited government" concepts that the Missoulian and other media outlets are very reluctant to use as that sounds more rational.

loveymama
loveymama

Nutbags. Complete and utter nutbags. I'm more scared of these people than I am of any semi-automatic weapon.

Stillmike Miller
Stillmike Miller

They aren't proposing to break any laws of any kind, force you to do something you don't want to, or take anything away from you. When it comes to firearms of any kind, they stress professional training not just once, but semi annual refresher training. How does that make them nutbags that scare you?

sofaking tired of the GOP
sofaking tired of the GOP

People that feel the need to wear military clothing and do military drills because they are afraid the government is coming to take them away to "re-education camps" are paranoid sorry. And scared people with assault rifles scare me.

Stillmike Miller
Stillmike Miller

LOL! Wow, THAT is some fear mongering propaganda agenda.

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sofaking tired of the GOP
sofaking tired of the GOP

What pointing out that delusional people with the arsenal of a militia want to move in the area is fear mongering?

sofaking tired of the GOP
sofaking tired of the GOP

You obviously haven't looked at their website to see who is doing the fear mongering.

Stillmike Miller
Stillmike Miller

It says on their site all constitutional laws at state and federal level will be followed. It further states said laws will applied within their community. Nowhere does it imply nature of clothing worn or attemps at overthrowing anything. Why do you have such a problem with people who want to follow the Constitution?

Stillmike Miller
Stillmike Miller

The website for this Citadel clearly states no age, sex, or ethnic/religious discrimination of any kind, and your house will be built with the material you want. They want people who are productive and interested in self effiency, their safety and the safety of their neighbors (community watch), and are community involved. No laws are suggested to be broken by their askings or intent; and it states 'We will abide by all Constitutional federal and state laws'. They have a focus on the U.S. Constitution, and require people who support that to be properly trained. They require any dispute to be handled with an arbitration panel of their peers (court). It will have a school and a farmer's market.

What's the problem?

The_Boneshackler
The_Boneshackler

It gets even better....
Glenn Beck is Planning a $2 Billion Libertarian Commune in Texas

Last night, he announced the next stage of his full-bodied embrace of libertarianism, which seems to be a massive commune inspired by "Galt's Gulch," Ayn Rand's utopian community in Atlas Shrugged.

-- http://blogs.dallasobserver.com/unfairpark/2013/01/glenn_beck_is_planning_a_2_bil.php

Bitterroot Progressive
Bitterroot Progressive

I'm struck by the irony that these people are all about surviving after "man-made catastrophes such as a power grid failure or economic collapse" and very likely will be employing the same sustainable farming practices that they now point to as a sign that the UN is setting up "Agenda 21".
If they would quit believing the breathless fear mongering about their "liberty" being at risk, they probably could live in harmony with those of use who don't believe the term "sustainable" translates into New World Order. They could put their guns aside and live in the world with the rest of us.

Roger
Roger

Our gun rights certainly are at risk - just wait to Joe Biden presents his gun control recommendations (this is one case in which I hope I'm wrong).

Bitterroot Progressive
Bitterroot Progressive

Your gun rights are outlined in the Bill of Rights. No Democrat will ever be able to remove them, despite all the hysterical anticipation from the right for the last 5 years to the contrary. There have been a plethora of conspiracy theorists, who generally post the most outrageous web pages with black backgrounds and high contrast lettering that are chock full of the scariest scenarios possible. Quit buying into their hysteria, they generally stand to make a tidy profit from your paranoia.
We are all Americans and some of us are your neighbors. The only thing you need to fear is your own unreasonable fear. If there were really FEMA concentration camps they would be common knowledge, not only something that the ultra right knows about.
It's my understanding that the biggest fear spread by the subscribers to the mindset that would consider living in this type of compound is that they think they will be rounded up and put in some sort of prison. Yet, this project is exactly that, but they can calm their fear by allowing them to pick out their own tile in their concrete bunkers. Go, liberty!

Stillmike Miller
Stillmike Miller

So, when the democratic VPOTUS of the USA says the POTUS can use 'executive authority' (which he certainly likes doing) to remove/delete/INFRINGE on the 2nd Amendment, we should not buy into that conspiracy theory?

Kuato
Kuato

Again BP is using the technique called "Gaslighting" look it up. These synthetic citizens can change their user names but like a tiger they can't change their strips. After what SPLC did to Lou Dobbs I am surprised that anyone would take them seriously any longer. Obama made it clear during the debates he was coming after the second amendment. Their goal has always been to disarm the American people , because the second amendment and our constitution and bill of rights stands in the way of their global Orwellian super state.

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crslayer426
crslayer426

Once again any free thinking that does not directly correspond with the Missoulian and idiotic liberal ideals are struck down and called insane. And I may be a bit hypocritical here and maybe not BUT, what IS insane are all you fools who think this government still loves and cares for you! When I work 11 months a year and want to file for 2 weeks unemployment insurance which my employer and I (me through my wages) pay into every 2 weeks, I am denied, yet there are people living and breeding off the unemployment and welfare systems! Why is it when a union destroys a business, SMURFIT STONE, the employees who said and did nothing about it for years, get two years unemployment benefits and/or free school. I do believe it is great to be retrained to keep on working but if laziness and a shut mouth are traits of the "working man" what are the incentives to actually work? So I can pay for people who have just kicked backed to not work! The whole ideals and direction Missoula in general is headings are embarrassing and make me sick! Then for people to strike down and bash people who believe in something besides this extreme liberal agenda because you are anti-gun and believe your Walmart burger doesn't die like, and is better for you than the elk and deer I shoot is beyond insane. And zootown where did you come from and did you vote for obama just because your skin color matches up or did you vote for him because thats the way these wacko Missoula liberals convinced you would help save your welfare check! Or did you actually believe this guy was for America and its people! Sukey nailed it and I appreciate well thought out and REALISTIC comments. Why are real people bashed and vilanized for calling out fishing dealings like unemployment fraud and welfare fraud and the invasive wolf species fraud and the list goes on and on... And making everything about guns and "ASSAULT" rifles is ridiculous and you people who think my semi-auto pistol is an "assault weapon" need to do some factual research that does not include a pro-gun ban agenda and actually provide a non-partisan report on what the government is actually doing in congress! Take a look at Switzerland gun policies and crime rates and then maybe look into Mexico's very strict gun laws and their crime rates and then...SHUT YOUR MOUTHS ABOUT HOW TAKING OUR GUNS IS GOING TO SAVE YOU!!! Have a good day...

Bitterroot Progressive
Bitterroot Progressive

You must filled out your application to get your unemployment incorrectly. It's not that hard, and it's not a "liberal agenda" to keep you from your benefits.

Hakon Montag
Hakon Montag

...and you would obvioulsy KNOW how to fill out that there 'unemployment application'...eh?

Bitterroot Progressive
Bitterroot Progressive

I am an employer. My family owns one of the few timber related businesses still standing in the Bitterroot Valley.Occasionally we have to lay our guys off, so we give them directions on how to access their benefits that they and we pay into the system for the times they need it.

NoturAverageBear
NoturAverageBear

Cool, just what we needed, a gated and well armed Fixed News fantasy land.

thomascash
thomascash

The only misfits who would consider such a community are too incompetent and crazy to form a group. If they do, they make a good target if they are closer together.

HelenWheels
HelenWheels

No recyclng? That means they need to use or build a sanitary landfill and process sewage too, because as much as they'd like to be free of The Guv'mint, they aren't allowed to poison the rest of us.

Snowcrest
Snowcrest

Oh my, an "armed community" in Montana?
The whole state is an armed community, so what's the news here?
Get over your fake outrage people and grow up.

Hakon Montag
Hakon Montag

'fake outrage'...exactly...

MiddleFinger
MiddleFinger

What a great idea! I'd be a perfect member. I'm certainly not a mainstream republican, and I got an AR. I got a k of ammo, and more than 5 mags (that should boost my community standing!). I got a tac go bag, and am happy to make a muster bag and reinforce my year's supply of food/water/paracord. And I'm sure I can hit the necessary target at the prescribed distance. I also have a dog and a computer.

But no recycling? That, is unconstitutional! It says so right there in the bill of articles or someth'n.

Maybe I'll just start my own one of these things. You know, they all end happily ever after.

Come on Rog, lets go get some cement!

Roger
Roger

Hey - I'm not that far-right, but I am usually right.

snickers
snickers

Not Montana. We already have more than our share of wingnuts.

owenmec
owenmec

The majority of them live in Missoula .

old farmer
old farmer

The statement from wildmtn shows total ignorance. Ruby Ridge the feds murdered an 11 year old boy when he went out to see what his dog was barking for. they shot the dog first. Then they murdered his mother when she looked out the door while holding a baby. They murdered one of there own, tried to blame Weaver, but it was fired from a fed weapon. Wako they ki

wildmtn
wildmtn

yes old farmer and Sukey, I remember all 3 incidents well. You missed the point, which is all these places, for whatever reason, are no longer occupied. Fanatical groups usually implode from within or explode until the government takes action, right or wrong. I do feel sorry for the kids who are caught up in any of it, and that includes any child brought up in fear and hate but in this great Country of ours, people have the right to raise their children to hate whomever they chose, whether I like it or not.

Hakon Montag
Hakon Montag

"...which is all these places, for whatever reason, are no longer occupied..."

No longer occupied for whatever reason...WOW...talk about missing the point.

WACO and RUBY RIDGE are no longer occupied because the FEDS either killed everyone or tried to put them in jail.

wildmtn
wildmtn

hence the "for whatever reason".

dsrobins
dsrobins

Idaho is welcome to them. The last thing Montana needs is another group of right wing, gun goon loonies.

Kuato
Kuato

You should know about loonies,you moved here from Kailifornia :(

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Z-man
Z-man

Great! This comes as welcome news! Maybe I can finally unload that old concrete mixer that's taking up space in my garage, presuming that I can find it.

Bob
Bob

Theres always been this govt paranoia. Menacing black choppers, UN rule, etc. But heres whats different now: The obvious influence of minorities on election outcomes. Minorities voted overwhelmingly for Obama. Every four years the number of voting minorities will increase, and the percentage of white voters will decrease. Theres no stopping it. Thats the main fear of these "patriot groups". Not sayin all whites have this fear, just those with a certain affinity for things like the confederate flag.

Hakon Montag
Hakon Montag

So states the 'democrat' who forgets his own parties affiliation with that flag and slavery.

As for the 'vote'...your vote doesn't elect the President. Never has.

wildmtn
wildmtn

Maybe getting them all in one place is a good idea. They can try Hayden Lake, Waco or Ruby Ridge, I think there are ready-made lunatic compounds already available.

Sukey
Sukey

You are wrong about Hayden Lake. Richard Butler (now deceased) was run out of Hayden Lake by the Southern Poverty Law Center who sued Aryan Nation compound into bankruptcy. Butler moved to Noxon, Montana He's gone now, and I'm not sure Aryan Nation is still in existence.

Stillmike Miller
Stillmike Miller

Ruby Ridge was not a compound. It was a private residence and the husband was illegally entrapped by Big Brother. Big Brother completely operated outside of the law and killed innocent women and children. Look it up for yourself.

brmoderate
brmoderate

Just wondering, wouldn't the 'American icon of liberty' be the musket

Hakon Montag
Hakon Montag

Dang that there Living Constitution...oh that's right...it's concepts are only LIVING and upgradeable for left leaning ideologies...WELFARE, GOVERNMENT AID AND HANDOUTS, MEDICAL INSURANCE...

Even the Supreme Court in HELLER vs DC proved 'muskets' weren't the option.

Hakon Montag
Hakon Montag

'moderate'...it is to laugh...

Warpburger
Warpburger

Once again the editors of the Missoulian toss red meat to their left wing base with the easily predictable results. What a rag this paper is. "Controversial AR15" this is not reporting, this is nothing more than a poor opinion piece. Only one thoughtful post out of seventeen. the rest are either intellectually dishonest, racist, or just plain wrong. Unbelievable.

sofaking tired of the GOP
sofaking tired of the GOP

AR 15s aren't controversial? Someone hasn't been watching the news. And yes we have every right to speak out about an outside group of survivalists wanting to make a compound full of paranoid people who are heavily armed wanting to move to our neighborhood. The article is actually full of facts and gave 2 sides of the story, it's even helping advertise their group and website.

Stillmike Miller
Stillmike Miller

What about bats? They have caused lots of controversy in Missoula this past week? If that kid had his 2nd Amendment of any kind, he could've protected himself.

sofaking tired of the GOP
sofaking tired of the GOP

Are bats sole purpose to kill things? Did the guy die? No, troll on...

BJG1
BJG1

Can't we just send these people to one of those uninhabited islands somewhere in the pacific and then check on them in about five years to see if anyone is left? they can form their own govt and have revolutions every six months.

oswarped
oswarped

More hateful comments from the all inclusive, tolerant left. What is the problem if they remove themselves from the left commie, marxist, socialists, rhinos? To be self sufficient and prepare for what ever may come is not a bad thing and if there is a problem don't come knocking on my door. Go to your fearless leader and continue to ask him for your handout.

Hakon Montag
Hakon Montag

Tolerance, Love, Peace...but only if you let us (the left) control every aspect of your life...

unknowncommenter
unknowncommenter

sounds like it would be a good place for the GRIZ to find recruits.For basketball and football.

Got concrete
Got concrete

Is some law being broken here? What happened to free speech and the right to keep and bear arms? Your opinion matters, but we can't have Amendments 1 and 2 only allowed in the State next door and not here. Sad little libs.

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Hakon Montag
Hakon Montag

They only like the Amendments and the parts of the Constitution that make them feel warm and cozy...

Ejace
Ejace

Where does The Missoulian get their stories from? It reads like a tabloid. Is the ATF on this? The FBI? I thought I was reading a tabloid when I first clicked this story. The Missoulian. Wow.

MTminded
MTminded

Sounds like little more than a great marketing ploy by a shrewd concrete contractor. Check out the little home construction cost calculator on the website. You think your mortgage is steep?

noxpak
noxpak

CGuthry are saying you don't believe the writings of Jefferson are true? The people of that time were born with slavery as a fact, not as a horrible history seen in the rear view mirror. They struggled to come to terms with the republic they were creating and the existence of slavery.
As to the comment on the AR-15, It is simply a modern rifle! You don't drive a model T you drive a modern car. I was given my first M-16 in 1969. I like the rifle, it's a very accurate, and versatile Modern rifle.
The Tea party. A group of citizens that believe in the Constitution and a fiscally responsible government. What's wrong with that?

MontanaNative1ed7
MontanaNative1ed7

Can we look into putting this Gun Freedom Neo Liberal Citadel in Alaska? I think Idaho is a little too close to Montana. The people who need to liberate their guns need lots of space.

Hakon Montag
Hakon Montag

I love it when you make yourself look stupid...

MT_Mama
MT_Mama

As opined in the article, this "group" is probably one or two sad, little impotent men who get their jollies by fondling guns because it makes them feel big and powerful. I have yet to meet a normal, well-adjusted man who's obsessed with guns; the ones who are so obsessed are always trying to make up for some real or perceived shortcoming. If ya know what I mean.

Dcmissoula
Dcmissoula

Why do bigots like you always use some misandrist comment to villify guns. Do you hate men and guns both? I've seen you post similar comments regarding the gun issue the past few weeks and its the same old tired. lefitist speak.Get something new, like a cat or something.

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dave ajou
dave ajou

Yes we do, it means that you're a misandrist.

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Hakon Montag
Hakon Montag

You might try getting an aquarium...I hear watching the fish is relaxing...

MontanaNative1ed7
MontanaNative1ed7

I think this is such a good idea for those who want to liberate their guns. The neo gun liberals can all fire their ak-47s together at the same time in their gun freedom community in Idaho. Can they please put up higher walls? I don't want to get hit in the crossfire. Gun liberators of America unite! In the Citadel in Idaho! (Not in Montana) Hakon Montag: I will buy you a oneway ticket to Idaho when this gets built and the sooner the better.

Roger
Roger

What's that "ed7" at the end of your name - the highest level of your education?

Hakon Montag
Hakon Montag

Personal attacks now...how quaint.

Hakon Montag
Hakon Montag

I don't need to move. Born here, have acreage here...wanna come play in my yard?

Sukey
Sukey

Actually, I've been meeting people, well educated, white, moved here from other States who are really into doomsday survivalist mode, and they seem very main stream on the surface. Perhaps they are, or should be, the mainstream. There's a lot of anger out there, just look at what is going on at the Federal level, we are a divided country, and many of us are tired of welfare cheats, of too much regulation, of self-enriching politicians. Technology has let us withdraw, has let us home school our children. How much interaction do we really need with diversity? Historically, people didn't want diversity in thought or life styles, or religion. That's why they moved to remote locations, like America. Where can we move now to get away from people we are offended by. If you think gay marriage is a freak show and morally wrong, we are now told we are "silly old people". If we think you should work for a living and you watch all your neighbors scamming on every form of government handout there is as they fly their private planes and live in custom homes on acreage, somehow you are at fault for mentioning it, like its rude to say something rather than its outrageous these people are stealing from programs for the poor. I think that is what is fueling this movement, not just guns and glory, but outrage for an America that was, but that is fast disappearing...

MontanaNative1ed7
MontanaNative1ed7

I am sorry you are frustrated. I think many young males are frustrated as they are fed a diet of violence in the media. Did you see the video of the thugs with bats? http://www.abcfoxmontana.com/news/local/Robbery-Suspects-Make-1st--Court-Appearance--186573161.html

Hakon Montag
Hakon Montag

Exactly...

Gomez
Gomez

I'm not big on conspiracies but wouldn't it be funny if this website was really a way for the anti-terrorist law enforcement agencies to keep a running list of every potential next Timothy McViegh? Sign up for their newsletter, they add your name to the "Watch this kook" list. : )

Roger
Roger

You just admitted you're a conspiracy theorist (not that conspiracies don't exist), but in this case, your notion makes little sense.

Gomez
Gomez

I'm "Not big on them" as in I think 99% of the time they are nothing more than the paranoid ramblings of nut cases. As for the rest of my comments they were intended as a joke. It would be funny though, wouldn't it? And I bet there are some guys on this forum right now that are thinking, "Ya, know, he might be right..." : )

Tommy Waters
Tommy Waters

You are 100% right. I know that I am taking names of area anti-government milita nutjobs. We have people on payroll for Ravalli county who are in these militias and have said that they will shoot any federal agent who get's in his way. We need a list of these people so that when they do start shooting we can quickly take them down without harm to innocents.

Kuato
Kuato

Guns and ammunition are sold out everywhere, that is the real vote TW.

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Hakon Montag
Hakon Montag

@TW (below)

Ummm...'take them down'...how? By shooting them? Oh I know!!!

Raid their home in the dark of night...that's how it's done these days...

Gomez
Gomez

Here's what I think is funny. A number of posters on this thread have denounced the story as being an attempt by the liberal press to smear the convervative movement. Then in the next breath they confirm that they are nut cases by coping to the exact things the story says. Too funny.

Gomez
Gomez

Errr, that's "copping". Man I wish this forum had an edit feature for when my fingers move faster than my brain. : )

T-Bone7
T-Bone7

A totally armed, gated community? What do they need a gate for if they're all armed? Maybe to protect the public from them? It's running rampant I tell you.(stupidity)

Roger
Roger

Probably to keep out the gawkers, snoops,etc.

sofaking tired of the GOP
sofaking tired of the GOP

Someone inside is eventually going to break some law on the outside, the inner and outer walls with gun towers are to keep the government out when they come to serve a warrant. It's another Waco and Ruby Ridge just waiting to explode, what a great idea!

walter12
walter12

Just what the leftists want and seek, some group they can call (nutcases). This group, if it really exists, is just what the leftists in old town love, someone they can point to. Well, with the Tyrant Obama in office, who can blame these Patriot people.

MontanaNative1ed7
MontanaNative1ed7

I will help you move to the GUN FREEDOM GUN LIBERATION CITADEL. You can liberate your neo liberal self in the citadel. You can start your own newspaper "GUN LIBERATOR NEWS!" You will be finally in your promised land WALTER12!!!!!

Hakon Montag
Hakon Montag

Please quit with the neo-liberal garbage. If you could only understand how stupid that sounds...

Oh well...go ahead and look stupid...

MTbornandraised
MTbornandraised

please please move there Walter12, I guarantee it's filled with crusty, fat, bald old white geniuses exactly like you. You'll finally feel at home, and you don't have to cry on these pages anymore.

Watching
Watching

"A man, his dog and his computer." Ha ha! Should have been the headline. So, this "community" believes in guns and no recycling?! There's a mission statement for you!

Stan Reck
Stan Reck

What a snarky article. Exceptionalism in journalism at work.

zootown
zootown

Go home immigrants, we don't need your kind here.

sofaking tired of the GOP
sofaking tired of the GOP

And by "like minded" they mean white and gun crazy. I hunt and own several guns, but AR 15s are p0rnography for some people.

Barkinlounger
Barkinlounger

Sounds like I could finally feel relaxed

NoturAverageBear
NoturAverageBear

Here we go again....

BWO
BWO

It's like nazi summer camp!

wes d
wes d

So this is where the Tea party ends up. Sad.

MontanaNative1ed7
MontanaNative1ed7

Pleas put the "community" in Idaho! I don't want to get stuck in the crossfire.

CGuthry
CGuthry

Right! And make sure their entrance door/gate/passageway only lets people in, not out.
Does the adherence to "Thomas Jefferson’s Rightful Liberty" include the right to hold slaves?

Stillmike Miller
Stillmike Miller

If you had the intelligence to read their site, you would know the answer to that question.

Hakon Montag
Hakon Montag

If you actually knew how to read the Constitution, you would know that it never did support slavery. It allowed for a method for them to be represented in Congress, to an extent, but it did not allow nor condone slavery by admission.

From the Declaration of Independence on through the Articles of Confederation and into the Constitution...slavery is not supported. The Northwest Ordinance flat out didn't even allow it.

Maybe you can show us exactly where slavery is supported?

Of course let's not forget that Jefferson owned slaves...so your retort to his writing about 'Rightful Liberty' is rather odd...and it was the Southern Democrats who held to the notion of slavery...and it was Jefferson who started the 'Democratic Party'...Democrats are always on the wrong side of this issue.

You really should read up on all of this stuff further...

tired of spin
tired of spin

Yea all were equal, but for some odd reason some only counted as 3/5th or a person, You self made "Constitutional scholars" might I gently say, are pathetic.

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